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On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 23:32:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 9/7/2024 11:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 22:47:51 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 9/7/2024 9:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2024 13:36:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/7/2024 11:10 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/7/2024 10:04 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Auto crash fatalities are a regrettable side effect of the use of cars
>>>>>>> for transportation. And cars are so beneficial for transportation that
>>>>>>> American society would cease to function if cars could not be used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mass murders in schools are a regrettable side effect of the worship
>>>>>>> of guns, especially AR-style rifles, the weapon of choice for such
>>>>>>> murders. And I'll note that you have _still_ never managed to state a
>>>>>>> practical societal benefit of ARs in public possession.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlike cars, if ARs could not be used, America would be better off by
>>>>>>> far. Just the tax savings from not having to "harden" public schools
>>>>>>> would be worth the change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or to summarize yet again: Benefits vs. detriments, John! A concept
>>>>>>> that absolutely baffles you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By that logic, are fatal car crashes by Ford Fiesta or Prius drivers
>>>>>> less tragic than those by scary black pickups?
>>>>>
>>>>> We could certainly talk about advantages vs. disadvantages of huge
>>>>> pickup trucks and other similar vehicles. Books have been written on
>>>>> that topic.
>>>>
>>>> Like
>>>> https://www.truckaddons.com/pros-and-cons-of-owning-a-pickup/
>>>>
>>>> Notice I provide a reference, you don't.
>>>
>>> https://slate.com/business/2022/02/suvs-pickups-heavy-huge-deadly-dont-buy-em.html
>>>
>>> or
>>> https://reason.com/2024/02/02/why-are-pickup-trucks-ridiculously-huge-blame-government/
>>>
>>> "... critics aren't entirely wrong to point out the ill effects of
>>> mega-truck proliferation—or the oddity of using a 6,500-pound,
>>> 22-foot-long vehicle mainly as a grocery-getter. Pedestrian deaths have
>>> reached 40-year highs and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
>>> research shows that as trucks and SUVs have gotten taller and heavier,
>>> they likewise have posed greater risks to those outside the vehicle."
>>>
>>> I have no problem with compact pickup trucks, just as I have no problem
>>> with what were always considered normal and legitimate hunting rifles.
>>> But bloated, oversized modern pickup trucks are a close parallel to
>>> AR-style guns. They are bought mostly to raise the owners' testosterone
>>> level, by providing capabilities that are essentially never needed. And
>>> the detriments are externalities, imposed on others who get none of the
>>> minuscule benefits.
>> 
>> I can't say for the U.S. but here pickups are used, many times for
>> (probably) then they were intended to haul.
>> https://www.hotcars.com/thailand-largest-pickup-truck-market-in-the-world/
>> And the article pretty well says that your two references just aren't
>> true... at least here.
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=thailand+pickup+trucks&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.hotcarsimages.com%2Fwordpress%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2023%2F01%2Fpthai3.jpg&t=lm
>> The multitude of used of pickups here. There are even a few home made
>> pickups shown.
>
>America is different. See 
>https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume
>
>Among other points the author makes, "...a significant portion of truck 
>owners never use their trucks for these capabilities. According to 
>Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one 
>time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners 
>go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck 
>owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its 
>ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less."

Many organizations with an agenda will finance "studies" intended, and
designed so as to promote their agenda. There are also many ignorant
people who suck up that misleading data and make it their own.

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 I'm stating mathematical facts. Data
and correlation are extremely powerful tools and are not ignored by
any
but the mathematically ignorant. But nobody with mathematical sense
claims that there are zero exemptions to strong correlations.

Having a gun in the home is not a guarantee someone will get killed.
And
having a gun in the home is not a guarantee it will be effective at
"protection." But there's plenty of data indicating the first is more
likely than the second; IOW for most people, having a gun for
"protection" is probably a bad idea.

Read about it:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/

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--Frank Krygowski

--
C'est bon
Soloman