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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: JM <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Final final 1kHz oscillator Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 05:42:00 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 752 Message-ID: <rdtqjj9cbj8od0a7p4e99jfa2nsgf663r0@4ax.com> References: <vglt5t$30a3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <t5fajjdteskfftvkf84iqsp2vc4b9ta5kj@4ax.com> <vh57l4$2knt$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <n7iijjdeqecl0kmub0bq5in0dbm60m7qam@4ax.com> <vhee22$10q2$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <vhibce$1t7v2$1@dont-email.me> <vhjfp8$2q8t$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 06:42:04 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c23068e9762e247cf664c6ccef1fb5ce"; logging-data="2430085"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Dne49CAk8eAKxRUkmqTdY" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:obKS97a4VCqfDXwecJyKpqUdn80= Bytes: 22089 On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:59:04 -0500, "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vhibce$1t7v2$1@dont-email.me... >> On 18/11/2024 2:58 pm, Edward Rawde wrote: >>> "JM" <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote in message news:n7iijjdeqecl0kmub0bq5in0dbm60m7qam@4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:14:28 -0500, "Edward Rawde" >>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "JM" <sunaecoNoChoppedPork@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t5fajjdteskfftvkf84iqsp2vc4b9ta5kj@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 15:43:41 -0500, "Edward Rawde" >>>>>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >> I've taken John May seriously, and reworked my phase shift oscillator to use three op amps, all with their non-inverting inputs >> tied to ground. >> >> The results aren't all that impressive, the lower harmonics are about 65dB below the fundamental. Start-up is slow - it takes >> about five seconds of simulation before the circuit settles down into steady state operation, and that after I dropped the >> integrating capacitor from 6.8uF to 680nF. The nice thing about the circuit is that I can explain what each bit is doing. I can >> see a few tweaks that might be worth trying. >> > >The simulation died after 3 seconds, as if insufficient gain to sustain oscillation. > >You seem to have a lot of components. >Are you sure you really need all those ferrites? > >Here's my really definitely final final offering. > >A comfortable 90dB down at 2kHz and > 100 dB elsewhere. >Also looks clean either side of 1kHz. >Whether or not this has anything to do with reality I do not know. >The diode stabilizer string will be temperature dependent, >requiring readjustment of R4 and a total of three adjustments are needed. >Only three op amps (two packages) are needed. > >Version 4 >SHEET 1 2196 932 >WIRE -64 -672 -96 -672 >WIRE 48 -672 0 -672 >WIRE -96 -576 -96 -672 >WIRE -64 -576 -96 -576 >WIRE 48 -576 48 -672 >WIRE 48 -576 16 -576 >WIRE 128 -528 112 -528 >WIRE 208 -528 192 -528 >WIRE 288 -528 272 -528 >WIRE 368 -528 352 -528 >WIRE 448 -528 432 -528 >WIRE 528 -528 512 -528 >WIRE 640 -528 592 -528 >WIRE 640 -512 640 -528 >WIRE -32 -464 -32 -480 >WIRE 48 -448 48 -576 >WIRE 48 -448 0 -448 >WIRE -96 -432 -96 -576 >WIRE -64 -432 -96 -432 >WIRE 112 -416 112 -528 >WIRE 112 -416 0 -416 >WIRE 160 -416 112 -416 >WIRE 208 -416 160 -416 >WIRE 336 -416 288 -416 >WIRE 400 -416 336 -416 >WIRE 512 -416 400 -416 >WIRE 624 -416 512 -416 >WIRE -96 -384 -96 -432 >WIRE -32 -384 -32 -400 >WIRE 48 -368 48 -448 >WIRE 336 -368 336 -416 >WIRE 160 -352 160 -416 >WIRE 400 -352 400 -416 >WIRE 512 -288 512 -416 >WIRE 624 -288 624 -416 >WIRE -96 -272 -96 -304 >WIRE -96 -272 -192 -272 >WIRE -96 -240 -96 -272 >WIRE 48 -240 48 -288 >WIRE 160 -240 160 -288 >WIRE 336 -240 336 -288 >WIRE 400 -240 400 -288 >WIRE -192 -176 -192 -272 >WIRE -224 -128 -256 -128 >WIRE -96 -128 -96 -160 >WIRE -96 -128 -128 -128 >WIRE -80 -128 -96 -128 >WIRE 16 -128 -80 -128 >WIRE 176 -128 96 -128 >WIRE 288 -128 176 -128 >WIRE 512 -128 512 -224 >WIRE 512 -128 368 -128 >WIRE -256 -48 -256 -128 >WIRE -208 -48 -256 -48 >WIRE -80 -48 -80 -128 >WIRE -80 -48 -128 -48 >WIRE 176 -16 176 -128 >WIRE 176 -16 64 -16 >WIRE 240 -16 176 -16 >WIRE 368 -16 320 -16 >WIRE 512 -16 512 -128 >WIRE 512 -16 448 -16 >WIRE -256 0 -256 -48 >WIRE 144 48 144 32 >WIRE 64 96 64 -16 >WIRE 112 96 64 96 >WIRE 512 96 512 -16 >WIRE 512 96 272 96 >WIRE -32 128 -96 128 >WIRE 112 128 -32 128 >WIRE 624 144 624 -224 >WIRE 656 144 624 144 >WIRE 752 144 720 144 >WIRE -320 160 -400 160 >WIRE -256 160 -320 160 >WIRE -32 160 -32 128 >WIRE 112 160 64 160 >WIRE 624 160 624 144 >WIRE 624 160 272 160 >WIRE 752 176 752 144 >WIRE -400 208 -400 160 >WIRE -256 224 -256 160 >WIRE 144 224 144 208 >WIRE -32 256 -32 224 >WIRE 64 272 64 160 >WIRE 160 272 64 272 >WIRE 288 272 160 272 >WIRE 400 272 352 272 >WIRE 512 272 512 96 >WIRE 512 272 480 272 >WIRE 64 288 64 272 >WIRE 160 288 160 272 >WIRE 752 288 752 256 >WIRE 880 288 752 288 >WIRE 928 288 880 288 >WIRE 928 320 928 288 >WIRE -96 336 -96 128 >WIRE -400 384 -400 288 >WIRE -400 384 -480 384 >WIRE 64 384 64 368 >WIRE 160 384 160 352 >WIRE 160 384 64 384 >WIRE -480 400 -480 384 >WIRE -400 400 -400 384 >WIRE -256 400 -256 288 >WIRE -256 400 -400 400 >WIRE 64 416 64 384 >WIRE 208 432 128 432 >WIRE 320 432 288 432 >WIRE 432 432 384 432 >WIRE 928 432 928 400 >WIRE 512 448 512 272 >WIRE 624 448 624 160 >WIRE -400 480 -400 400 >WIRE -256 496 -256 400 >WIRE 288 544 288 528 >WIRE 432 560 432 432 >WIRE 432 560 320 560 >WIRE 624 560 624 512 >WIRE 624 560 432 560 >WIRE -96 576 -96 416 >WIRE -48 576 -96 576 >WIRE 0 576 -48 576 >WIRE 128 576 128 432 >WIRE 128 576 80 576 >WIRE 192 576 128 576 >WIRE 256 576 192 576 >WIRE 432 592 320 592 >WIRE 512 592 512 512 >WIRE 512 592 432 592 >WIRE 624 592 624 560 >WIRE 704 592 624 592 >WIRE -96 624 -96 576 >WIRE -48 624 -48 576 >WIRE 288 624 288 608 >WIRE 512 624 512 592 >WIRE 704 624 704 592 >WIRE 432 640 432 592 >WIRE 624 640 624 592 >WIRE -400 656 -400 560 >WIRE -320 656 -400 656 >WIRE -256 656 -256 560 >WIRE -256 656 -320 656 ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========