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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: guns again.
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 08:59:29 -0400
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 11:07:54 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2024 20:32:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/13/2024 12:20 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/13/2024 9:30 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 7/13/2024 6:09 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That's your excuse for not being able to name a single _practical_
>>>>>>>> benefit to the AR-style in civilian hands.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I rather admire Frankie's notions. Shooting is no benefit to anyone.
>>>>>> Although he is certainly wrong as it was certainly beneficial to me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was on the base pistol team and won the Maine State Pistol
>>>>>> Championship and the Vermont State Pistol Championship pistol matches
>>>>>> and was selected to shoot on the Strategic Air Command Team in the
>>>>>> Inter Service Matches the same year. There is no doubt in my mind that
>>>>>> went a long way in my being promoted that same year.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, John. Re-read what I said. Note the phrase "in civilian hands."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Target shooting does not get civilians promoted. Target shooting is a 
>>>>> game, just as is golf or bowling. It may be amusing, but it does 
>>>>> nothing _practical_, unless you're practicing to go hunting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And target shooting with an AR is probably even less practical.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Most of the nation feels the same about cycling.
>>> 
>>> True, because most of the nation never uses a bike for anything 
>>> practical. In fact, there are some posting here who have bragged about 
>>> never using a bike for anything practical.
>>> 
>>> But biking for transportation saves wear on cars, provides exercise and 
>>> increases longevity. In many cases, it even saves time, especially when 
>>> searching for a car parking spot is factored in. (In big city 
>>> competitions, bike commuters almost always beat car commuters.)
>>> 
>>> Some of us posting here have long made practical use of bikes. I thought 
>>> you were one. But nobody here has described making truly practical use 
>>> of an AR-style rifle.
>> 
>> <EYEROLL> What kind of logic deficiency does Krygowski have that he
>> doesn't understand the meaning of the word "practical." Are not his
>> group bicycle rides practical even though they end up exactly where
>> they started from? Recreation of any kind is practical. Most social
>> activity is practical. Throwing a baseball around with your grandson
>> is practical. Target shooting is practical. 
>> 
>He means utility ie commuting to work or to go shopping or so on, which is
>about half my time on the bike if not the distance.

Well, then, he should say "utility" instead of "practical." 

>None of my bikes have been bought for utility but converted to it, ie added
>bags and so on.

Nowdays, I have no reason to ride for utility.

>Clearly with the amount of guns Americas own this like bikes is leisure
>than utility, in my experience working guns are shotguns or hunting rifles.

Defense is most certainly a utility.  

>Roger Merriman