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Wed, 26 Mar 2025 14:45:04 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber
<naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva:

>On 2025-03-26, Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> OK. At 81 (soon to be 82) I'm clearly in the Older category. 
>>
>> Having lived outside the anglophone world for nearly 40 I haven't been 
>> subject to the more modern influences, and still speak as I always did.
>
>So, as an old geezer, what is your personal opinion on Lindsey's
>following assertion on the TRAP-BATH split?
>
>    Today greater diversity is allowed even among BBC newsreaders,
>  documentary narrators, etc. It's now common for such speakers to
>  have unbroadened TRAP in _bath_, _after_, _ask_, _answer_, _demand_,
>  _chant_, _sample_, etc. We might say that SSB now includes
>  un-broadened BATH words as an option.
>    This is convenient for learners aiming at a British accent, as
>  BATH-broadening can be tricky to learn. Not only is it hard to
>  explain why words did or did not broaden; there are also words
>  which have broadened more recently, such as _graph_. It's no
>  longer a high priority for learners to use the broadened forms.

Broadened here seems to mean longer and backer.

>Regardless, my personal observation from British media is that
>beyond the very core vocabulary, there is considerable uncertainty
>where to use broad A.  I've heard _transplant_ with TRAP-TRAP,
>TRAP-PALM, and PALM-PALM vowels.