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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <JL@gct.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: RF Metrology Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 14:21:51 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <rpgjfj9iet429t4umj30044ruct2qs75ga@4ax.com> References: <mu1jfjtd6521pp9nb0kubcorkkkdh20gu3@4ax.com> <vdc4gn$1r4te$1@dont-email.me> <vdc7uu$1lv41$1@dont-email.me> <vdcbtk$1s3at$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2024 23:21:54 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ed695f70b517f9dfc3f0551a50d838d6"; logging-data="1995927"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18oSYUH3+VmXGG11gNm8dnq" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:sFssYR6jKdOB0867wyiqT5QSxrk= Bytes: 2810 On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 22:08:25 +0200, Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >On 9/29/24 20:57, John R Walliker wrote: >> On 29/09/2024 19:02, Jeroen Belleman wrote: >>> On 9/29/24 19:14, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>>> Greetings, gentlemen, >>>> >>>> [...] Chinese N-type to >>>> SMA adaptor at the signal generator output. Would I be right to >>>> suspect some imperfection in the manufacturing of the adaptor could >>>> cause such an effect? I do have a VNA I could characterize the adaptor >>>> with but it's a bit of an effort to do. It would seem like the SA is >>>> showing the adaptor's shortcomings in the frequency domain. But is >>>> that a feasible hypothesis? >>>> >>>> Your pal, >>>> >>>> CD. >>> >>> Aren't we getting a teensy bit lazy? >>> >>> Jeroen Belleman >> >> I have seen transmission (S21) losses of around 1dB at about 1.2GHz >> just from failing to tighten an N connector sufficiently. >> We do need to know the magnitude and frequency of the problem in >> order to give helpful comments! >> John >> > >I collected some TDR traces of various connectors, adapters and >terminators a few years ago: <https://cern.ch/jeroen/connectorTDR>. > >There were a few surprises. I was taken aback by the poor results >for H+S BNC and LEMO-00. For BNCs, Radiall is better than H+S, but >for N-connectors, it's the reverse. > >After having seen what LEMO-00 hardware did to my signals, I was >pleasantly surprised by the performance of SMC. > >SMA was the best I had around, hands down, no surprises there. > >Jeroen Belleman SMBs are surprisingly good, and easier to use. Shining Star makes nice, crazy cheap, edge-launch SMAs and SMBs. https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/x8w5izvfvg87bit10vty4/SS_SMB_Edge.JPG?rlkey=8xsf1wlw73wopi9vlf0slh52g&raw=1