Article <s5595k1kdh9q3bl5rddk2aq4t8jlb08jas@4ax.com>

Deutsch English FranÃ§ais Italiano
<s5595k1kdh9q3bl5rddk2aq4t8jlb08jas@4ax.com>

View for Bookmarking (what is this?)
Look up another Usenet article
Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail
From: Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Moths can see star patterns with their compound eyes
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 15:59:50 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 57
Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org
Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org
Message-ID: <s5595k1kdh9q3bl5rddk2aq4t8jlb08jas@4ax.com>
References: <102up9i$37lfb$1@dont-email.me> <1031pgc$2p8c$1@dont-email.me> <1031up9$113hj$1@solani.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89";
	logging-data="91665"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org"
User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218
To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jyq+aoNp5N3KIoV0rlHtgJs2zvM=

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 16:17:31 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>:

>On 2025-06-19 2:47 p.m., RonO wrote:
>> On 6/18/2025 11:25 AM, RonO wrote:
>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/moths-fly-600-miles- 
>>> particular-series-mountain-caves-scientists-think-rcna213703
>>>
>>> This is a sort of crazy science news article.  This one inch long moth 
>>> breeds in the hot lowlands of Australia, but the larva grow up and 
>>> become adults and then migrate 600 miles to caves in the Australian 
>>> alps.  They can sense the magnetic field of the earth, but it has been 
>>> discovered that they use star patterns to navigate to the caves.  They 
>>> can project star the southern star pattern in a flight chamber and the 
>>> moths will adjust their course dependent on how the star pattern is 
>>> oriented.  They don't know which direction to go if shown a random 
>>> pattern.
>>>
>>> They not only have to be able to interpret star patterns with their 
>>> compound eyes, but using the existing pattern has to be instinctive. 
>>> They may have only made the previous migration as sperm and egg cells.
>>>
>>> They have to figure out what the moths can see so that they can start 
>>> to figure out the genetics that resulted in flying in the right 
>>> direction based on that observed pattern.
>>>
>>> Moths have very small brains, but they obviously have very good visual 
>>> interpretive skills and can act on those interpretations.
>>>
>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fascinating-world-moth-vision-how-eyes- 
>> help-them-navigate-gemmell
>> 
>> Article on the low light sensitivity of moth eyes.  From other articles 
>> compound eyes are good at detecting motion, and obtaining a broad 
>> perspective (the night sky), but are not very good at fine details, but 
>> they must be able to detect star patterns in a pretty crowded night sky. 
>>   In Australia the milky way stretches across the night sky.
>> 
>> Ron Okimoto
>> 
>My immediate thought (no evidence) is they may detect the orientation of 
>the milky way.
>
Possibly; according to the article that's what at least some
of them suspect.
> 
-- 

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
 the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov