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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Microsoft warns of blue screen crashes caused by April updates
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2025 20:46:06 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-04-18, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-17 10:04, Borax Man wrote:
>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>> On 2025-04-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-16 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 08:55:12 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> At what point do we finally give up?
>>>>>
>>>>> When the people start to see through those vendors’ multi-million-dollar
>>>>> marketing campaigns telling everybody how wonderful they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, never.
>>>>
>>>> I would blame the ignorance of the common user much more than any
>>>> marketing campaign. You'd be surprised at how oblivious most people are
>>>> to the operating system they're using. Heck, this complete disregard of
>>>> the operating system is part of what made it easy for me to "sell" the
>>>> idea of using Linux to people who owned HP laptops which had tremendous
>>>> problems with Windows or to teachers who simply want to be able to use
>>>> their computers rather than constantly be locked out of them. As long as
>>>> the operating system manages to get the job done, they don't care if
>>>> it's Linux or Windows. My dad is one such person. He actually much
>>>> preferred Mint to Windows when I installed it on a cheap laptop I got
>>>> him, but he's fine with Windows on the Intel NUC he eventually replaced
>>>> that machine with. Until it bugs out, there is no reason to switch over.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Can confirm, at least in some cases.  My wife needed a new laptop, but
>>> she wanted Apple.  They're expensive, far more so when all you do is use
>>> a web-browser.  So I said I'll take care of the laptop, I'll find one
>>> that is second hand, and will be supported for a long long time.  (One
>>> of the bugbears she had about Apple was how the OS and software become
>>> obsolete and could not be upgraded).  I put Linux, and there was a tiny
>>> bit of teething because it was different, but she's been using it for
>>> years successfully.  She's has no idea about Linux, doesn't know she's
>>> running Fedora.  Shes used my desktop machine, so had a little
>>> familiarity with it.  But surprisingly, theres be no issues, and few
>>> questions, aside from "how do I copy files from the USB stick" and some
>>> desktop config.
>>
>> That's part of why I didn't mind that my very low bid for this Apple 
>> laptop was successful, and that I needed to pursue the purchase. To an 
>> Apple user, this MacBook Air 2017 is obsolete and meant for little more 
>> than recycling. For me, it does everything I would need a laptop to do 
>> at work. With Linux, it stays out of the landfill and can continue to be 
>> used for another decade. Heck, I might use it until I retire. Unlike 
>> most other teachers, I am _aware_ that it uses Linux, but I am also 
>> aware that our work does not require this kind of hardware to be 
>> upgraded as often as our boards and manufacturers require us to.
>>
>>> I think that people who know next to nothing, will find a switch to
>>> Linux easier, because they have so few ingraned workflows and
>>> expectations, and use the system at such a shallow level, that you could
>>> switch and they'll barely notice, as long as the desktop is roughly
>>> similar.  It is more the intermediate users, who would be disrupted the
>>> most.
>>
>> The desktops being roughly similar is only a necessity for users who 
>> were already old when they learned MacOS or Windows and did so 
>> stubbornly. Considering how difficult it was for them to adopt that 
>> much, you wouldn't want to put an entirely different operating system in 
>> front of them. For anyone else, a switch from Windows to Gnome or 
>> Cinnamon shouldn't be such a chore.
>>
>
>
> I switched a friend to Linux, as he wanted to escape Microsoft AI and
> surveillance and the like.  He wanted a distro most similar to Windows
> for the desktop, but as I had already installed Linux Mint on the
> laptop, using Cinnamon, I decided he's better off having his desktop
> computer configured to be the same as the laptop.  No issues so far.
> Cinnamon is quite Windows-like.  Gnome on the other hand, I think that
> is more of a leap.  I myself didn't really find it all that usable or
> appealing.

I think if you're coming over from a Mac Ubuntu might be more appealing. I 
say this just because it seems to look more like a Mac, not because of what 
little Mac experience I have.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien