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From: Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:18:44 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-04-27, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2025-04-26, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2025-04-26, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>
>>>>What I was referring to problem, isn't limited to software.  It seems to
>>>>be a Millenial trait in general, or of younger people.  That is, they
>>>>want to work on what they want to work on, rather than what needs to be
>>>>done.  People seeing their work as an opportunity to do what they think
>>>>is best, rather than what *other* people need.  They think that "work"
>>>>is just a way they can actualise themselves.  Companies bend towards
>>>>this, catering to their needs, rather than the companies, or the
>>>>customers needs.  We, the users, need our software to work.  If you want
>>>>to work on it, your role is to stop our stuff breaking.
>>>
>>> I don't know why you think that people can "do what they want" in
>>> defiance of market forces.  The same with companies "bending" away
>>> from their needs or their customers' needs.
>>>
>>> If they don't do the right things, they will be beaten in the market
>>> by someone who is.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily.  This idea that "market forces" just fixes things runs
>> contrary to observed experience.  Many companies still turn a profit
>> DESPITE massive ineffeciecies and avoidable errors.  This is an
>> ideological position, not one based on observation of the real world.
>> Also, the "market" often moves according to external forces, or it
>> doesn't due t intertia, or network effects.  ie, you use product X, not
>> becaues its good, but because you need to interact with others also
>> using product X.  Product X can turn to crap, but you can't leave,
>> because that is where everyone still is.
>
> A prime example, Windows.
>

Yes.  Being the default, and the "network effect" has a big impact.
I've been "forced" to create accounts with service I don't want to use,
because of lack of practical choice.  Buy a phone, and you're going to
end up either creating a Google or Apple account.  I went far without a
Google account, but then needed one to use a bonus I got from work.  The
"market" can't do squat here.