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From: Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 08:13:34 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-04-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/25/25 23:00, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-26, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2025 12:06:53 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I understand the problems with X11, and supporting legacy, but you can't
>>>>> just throw out decades of work and break it because its hard.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody has to come along and offer to do the work. If nobody does, then
>>>> yes, the existing developers are quite justified in saying “that’s not
>>>> worth it, let’s just drop it”.
>>>
>>>
>>> But they ARE doing work.  They're creating new stuff that lack some
>>> degree of compatibility with the old.  This is the problem, devs work on
>>> what the want to work on, not what people need.
>>>
>>> In no one was willing to work on free software, that would make sense,
>>> but people are working on reinventing the wheel again and again.  We
>>> also had Mir.  TWO projects. Duplication.
>> 
>> Kind of like Ubuntu trying to force Unity on everyone because "they knew
>> better." Or Gnome making huge changes in Gnome 3 because they knew better
>> than the user what the *should* want. That's basically why Linux Mint took
>> off. Mate and Cinnamon were what a LOT of users wanted, not Gnome 3 or
>> Unity.
>
> In the end, a lot of people ended up liking Gnome 3's way of doing 
> things, and it is at the core of a few desktop environments. As for 
> Unity and Mir, I liked the interface of Unity enough to seek it out in 
> Ubuntu's iteration of Gnome, and Mir was a step in the right direction. 
> Had Wayland not already have been in development, I doubt people would 
> have had such a negative opinion of Canonical's decision to move away 
> from X11.
>

A lot of people also use their phones to type everything, despite it
being a poor input device.  But to each their own I suppose.  I hated
GNOME 3, moreso because it supplanted GNOME 2, which supplanted GNOME 1.
GNOME 1, or 1.2 or 1.4 or whatever it was I was using with RedHat 7.3
was pretty cool.  But they felt they should change my Desktop according
to their vision, so I left.