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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: (OT) They're not all crazy in Europe
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 06:39:41 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-04-27, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 4/27/25 02:13, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 4/25/25 22:35, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-25, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/24/25 21:22, RonB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As for Palestine pre-Israel, you don't have to go by narrative you just have
>>>>>> to go by history.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm aware of the history. Weren't different factions fighting for
>>>>> control of that territory before the British gave it away? Wouldn't that
>>>>> suggest that they were at odds and therefore not peaceful?
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, they were called Zionist terrorists (the gangs who bombed the buses,
>>>> etc.). And that began happening shortly before the British gave them the
>>>> Zionist state by stealing it from the Palestinians. It was the beginning of
>>>> the terrorist state called Israel, not reflected in the centuries before
>>>> that the terrorists began Zionist terrorist campaign.
>>>
>>> That might be the case. However, I've seen how Muslims deal with debates
>>> on religion and how much respect they offer to people who think
>>> differently. To say the least, they are very violent. It's not normal
>>> that I wouldn't be able to analyze a song with my students because
>>> Muhammad in the corner was told that music is haram and will get violent
>>> if I play it. It's not normal that I can't watch a show with the kids
>>> because Muhammad Jr. in the corner thinks two characters kissing is
>>> haram and will get violent if I show it. It's not normal that I
>>> constantly have to worry about the crucifix I wear showing because
>>> Muhammad the Third in the corner was taught that Jesus didn't really die
>>> on the cross and will get violent if he sees it. The reality is that it
>>> is impossible to live peacefully with them because every value we have
>>> and every sign we display is offensive to them.
>> 
>> Christians in Israel face the same kind of issues with the Orthodox Jews
>> (and the IDF). They're spit on and their churches are shuttered on Christian
>> holy days.
>> 
>> I'm not a Muslim and I don't like a lot of their crap, but you've got to
>> remember, it was the Palestinians who were driven out of their homes and
>> businesses and were driven into refugee camps. These homes and businesses
>> were given to the Jews (simply because they were Jews) who streamed in from
>> all over the world.
>> 
>> Europe (and the U.S. and Canada) are doing something similar by moving
>> illegal aliens (many Muslim) to the front of the line for benefits while the
>> native citizens stand at the back of the line and watch. I know you already
>> resent this, but how much more would you resent having your home confiscated
>> from you and given to an illegal alien? (Probably a Muslim.)
>> 
>> That's what happened to the Palestinians. Gaza is basically an open air
>> prison. And American Jews "vacation" in Israel by burning down orchards and
>> destroying homes while backed by the IDF on the West Bank. They then claim
>> the property for their own. There's only so much of that crap that anyone
>> can take.
>> 
>> So, while I don't like the Muslim religion, I can understand what drives
>> their hatred for the Israelis. Under similar circumstances you would
>> probably be a "terrorist" as well. (As if carpet bombing civilians, and
>> denying them food, water and medicine is not the act of terrorist and
>> genocidal state.)
>
> The Gazans have a reason to hate Jews, but they would have hated them 
> regardless of whether anything had been done to them. Heck, the entire 
> religion advocates for a hatred of both Christians and Jews, the latter 
> of which was on the pretense that they had persecuted Muhammad. Of 
> course, no evidence of this exists outside the Koran. Heck, in most 
> reports within the Koran, it is said that the Muslims were treated well 
> by the Jewish hosts. Of course, it doesn't matter how well you were 
> treated once you have an army much larger than that of your hosts.
>
> This is a pattern we constantly see with Muslim: peaceful until they 
> have the numbers.

There are different Muslim sects. Some are much less aggressive than others. 
The Shiites, for example, aren't usually the "head choppers," that's nearly 
always the Sunnis. Guess which ones the U.S. cuddles up to?

Jews in Iran, for example, are not persecuted so long as they identify as 
Iranians and not Zionists (Israelis). Iran is a Shiite country. 

-- 
Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin
with them. Know the difference.