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From: Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome
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On 2025-05-01, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 May 2025 14:24:24 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
> wrote in <slrn101710o.2qk.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh>:
>
>> On 2025-04-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-30 06:10, Borax Man wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-29, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 14:21:25 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man
>>>>> <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> <slrn1011o35.46v.rotflol2@geidiprime.bvh>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2025-04-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-04-29 02:15, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28 16:01, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:49:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll admit that I didn't notice all of what installing Snaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> did to my machine, but I could definitely tell that it was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't want to run 'df -a'.  I'm up to /dev/loop62 for snap
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It took me a while to root all that snap crap out of my system,
>>>>>>>>>> but I think I've got it all cleared now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a script you can use to automatically rid your system of
>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> A quick search on your engine of choice will find it for you.
>>>>>>>>> Heck, it comes up at the top of the results in Brave Search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I get more involved with Ubuntu I'll look it up. I was just
>>>>>>>> happy to be wrong about some of my Ubuntu and Wayland assumptions.
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu is not going to become my "go to" Linux distribution. It
>>>>>>>> was more in the line of... "even the Linux 'flavor' I don't
>>>>>>>> particularly like is pretty good." (I'm still not a fan of Gnome
>>>>>>>> 3.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan, but I was happy to use it because I'm a fan of
>>>>>>> Ubuntu's interface. However, I won't bother with it if the
>>>>>>> contributors are proud members of Antifa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are?  Thats a concern if true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure why Antifa are not labelled as a terrorist
>>>>>> organisation,
>>>>>> they fit the definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because Antifa -- literally "Anti-fascist" -- isn't an
>>>>> organization.
>>>>> It's a movement -- like skateboarding.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I love it when people invoke Antifa (anti-fascists) as a
>>>>> boogieman; then you know where they stand.  For example:  Eisenhower
>>>>> was "Antifa". Oooo, scary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The "antifa" of today have nothing to do with Eisenhower, and you know
>>>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> Its a movement, like drug cartels.
>>>> 
>>>> You know, North Korea calls itself a democracy. IT must be one, its in
>>>> the name...
>>>
>>> As far as I know, fat vallor is from San Francisco. They see themselves
>>> as heroes because they let their homeless create tent cities and take a
>>> dump anywhere they want on the street. I'm sure all of India is a
>>> heroic country to them. They're far left in their politics and will
>>> gladly rewrite history to fit their beliefs.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm Australian, things are different here, and many Americans have this
>> imperialistic, domanting mentality where they think the entire world
>> must adopt their values, their culture, their beliefs, their way of
>> thinking.  I don't hate America, but it irks me to see the American MAGA
>> movement copied here (look up Trumpet of Patriots for some cringe), and
>> it also irks me to see Californians, or American Coastal elites more
>> broadly, act as if they have moral authority to make us adopt their
>> rather parochial and extreme values.  Unfortunately, Australians follow.
>> 
>> It's sad that people like him don't realise that the REST OF THE WORLD
>> sees these city dwelling Californians as loopy.  They honestly believe
>> they represent socity and the world.  Its just...odd...  A delusion.
>> Perhaps only existing because Big Tech is there and they can throw their
>> weight around.  Who knows.
>
> What we have here is a case of parataxic distortion -- that is to say,
> stereotyping.
>
> You know almost nothing about me.  You also know almost nothing about
> "Crude Sausage" or RonB, either, and at least the former has no issue
> with using racial slurs, something I find both extremist and uncalled-for.
>
> The problem is extremism.  Unfortunately, politics are so polarized now
> that it's difficult to have a meaningful dialogue.  Even in your invective,
> you've written about protests in the same sentence as shoving the elderly,
> the latter act which I find especially egregious.  But protests?
> Those are a human right.  We've had at least two downtown since Trump
> was elected.  I get police updates via email, and have seen no reports
> of arrests, either there or in the local paper.
>
> But when it comes to politics in cola, I would much rather keep
> it apolitical and areligious.  This seems almost impossible, given
> the discussions about (say) how "woke" the RC church was under
> Pope Francis.  As I said:  the problem is extremism.
>
> Regarding California:  there's a lot of propaganda floating
> around.  There are farmers here, as well as business owners
> for establishments of all sizes.  If you think California
> is all one big college campus -- think again, it's not like
> that, any more than you are like Crocodile Dundee.
>
> We are pretty smart, though -- the envy of the rest of the U.S.
> Maybe that's why they tell so many stories about us.  And
> California just surpassed Japan as the 4th largest economy
> in the world.  I'm co-founder of a business that employs
> over 800 people, so I'm part of making that happen.
>
> So with all that out of the way:  if you came across a
> "Nazi" -- that is to say, a White Supremacist Nationalist -- who
> was spouting his BS into your face, wouldn't you be tempted
> to clock him, too?
>
>>
I've seen women get assaulted by these people.  I've witnessed it first
hand.  Completely unprovoked.  Not the only time either...

I don't know you, which is why I didn't make any accusations about YOU.
I was making statements about another group, that you went to the
defense of. I can have civilised discussions with anyone, if they can
discuss things in good faith, and not lie to me.

I've been tempted on occasion to clock people in the head because of
what they say, sure, but I don't, because I'm not a thug.  The fact that
I don't like what you say doesn't give me that right.  Simply feeling
that someones ideas are a "threat" doesn't give you that right.  I can't
just invent justifications and extrapolations to justify lashing out,
then blame the victim for making me initiate violence against them.
Thats the difference.  A civilised person refrains, a scumbag carries
through with it.

Which are you?

Lastly, I don't think the problem is extremism per se, I think it
something else, a civilisational failure, but that is a discussion best
continued on a group more suited to this, rather than a Linux advocacy
one.  I WISH Linux was apolitical, but I didn't make it this way.  SJW's
did.  They infiltrated and made it political.