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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome
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On 2025-04-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-04-29 18:14, RonB wrote:
>> On 2025-04-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-29 17:11, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2025-04-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-04-29 10:21, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-04-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-04-29 02:15, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28 16:01, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-04-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 08:49:54 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll admit that I didn't notice all of what installing Snaps did to my
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, but I could definitely tell that it was a mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't want to run 'df -a'.  I'm up to /dev/loop62 for snap stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It took me a while to root all that snap crap out of my system, but I think
>>>>>>>>>> I've got it all cleared now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a script you can use to automatically rid your system of it. A
>>>>>>>>> quick search on your engine of choice will find it for you. Heck, it
>>>>>>>>> comes up at the top of the results in Brave Search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I get more involved with Ubuntu I'll look it up. I was just happy to be
>>>>>>>> wrong about some of my Ubuntu and Wayland assumptions. Ubuntu is not going
>>>>>>>> to become my "go to" Linux distribution. It was more in the line of... "even
>>>>>>>> the Linux 'flavor' I don't particularly like is pretty good." (I'm still not
>>>>>>>> a fan of Gnome 3.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wasn't a fan, but I was happy to use it because I'm a fan of Ubuntu's
>>>>>>> interface. However, I won't bother with it if the contributors are proud
>>>>>>> members of Antifa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are?  Thats a concern if true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure why Antifa are not labelled as a terrorist organisation,
>>>>>> they fit the definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> A contributor proudly announced that Gnome is Antifa on blogs.gnome.org.
>>>>
>>>> So is Lunduke basing his Antifa/Ubuntu connection theory on this one
>>>> contributor?
>>>>
>>>> It should be mentioned that the word "ubuntu" had a "philosophical" (almost
>>>> religious) meaning before it was used as the name for a Linux distribution.
>>>> The fact that Canonical choose this name probably indicates their belief
>>>> bias, but I haven't seen any evidence of an official Ubuntu/Antifa
>>>> connection.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm wrong, point me to the link or documentation.
>>>
>>> The connection is between Antifa and Gnome, not Ubuntu. However, this is
>>> pretty consistent with some of the things that have been reported in the
>>> past about Gnome and its woke policies. If he provides a direct link to
>>> the post eventually, I'll copy it here.
>> 
>> Okay. Thanks.
>
> I found it through a routine search in Brave: 
><https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2025/04/23/the-elephant-in-the-room/>
>
> Here is the paragraph:
>
> "One important thing to note is that nobody involved is against Codes of 
> Conduct. The problem here is the Foundation’s structural dysfunction, 
> bad leadership, and the way the CoC was used in this case as a result. 
> I’m aware of the charged nature of the subject, and the potential for 
> feeding right wing narratives, but I think it’s also important to not 
> let that deter us from discussing these very real issues. But just to be 
> extra clear: Fuck Nazis, GNOME is Antifa."

But this is not Gnome officially speaking. It's someone associated with 
Gnome whining because Gnome got rid of someone that he apparently respected. 
They guy who is attacking the Gnome Foundation is the one who wrote "Fuck 
Nazis, GNOME is Antifa."

And this blog is, apparently, so "influential" that there has been a total 
of seven responses to this post. And the responses from other Gnome people 
have not all been supportive. 

   Was it really necessary to call right wing people nazis? does this kind 
   of talk benefit anyone?
   
   And...
   
   You lost me when you said “Fuck Nazis. GNOME is Antifa”. Tell me in what 
   way Antifa is any different to the Nazi Brownshirts in 1930’s Germany? I 
   think it would be more accurate to say:

   “Fuck Nazis. Antifa is Nazi”.

I don't what the issue is here, or who Sonny is or why he was (apparently) 
banned from Gnome, but this blogger (who, notice, is opposing Gnome here) is 
the one who called Gnome Antifa. So, again, Lunduke is click baiting and 
taking a quote out of context. This guy proves again that truth is not that 
important to him.

-- 
Jesus sat with sinners: He didn't sin
with them. Know the difference.