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From: Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome
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On 2025-05-04, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2025-05-04 09:38, Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2025-05-04, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2025-05-04 05:51, Borax Man wrote:
>>>> On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-05-03 06:50, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-05-02 20:13, Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-02, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-02 16:16, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2025 09:13:55 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't know much about ReiserFS back around 2004, but every
>>>>>>>>>>> publication was saying that it was a huge improvement over everything
>>>>>>>>>>> else so I used it in the limited time I ran Gentoo. I can't speak to its
>>>>>>>>>>> worth. In fact, I'm happy you mentioned it because I largely forgot
>>>>>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was a journaling file system, which ext2 was not and faster for some
>>>>>>>>>> operations. Linux was trailing the pack. AIX was journaled in the '90s, as
>>>>>>>>>> was NTFS. ext3 came out in 2001, the same year as ReiserFS but it took a
>>>>>>>>>> while to catch on. Distros cited technical reasons for going to ext3
>>>>>>>>>> rather than Reiser being on trial for murder.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> btrfs owes more to ReiserFS 4 than ext3/ext4. Without the notoriety
>>>>>>>>>> ReiserFS would probably have been developed instead. Not a good idea to
>>>>>>>>>> name a project after yourself although Torvalds has been able to suppress
>>>>>>>>>> his murderous impulses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't recall what made me want to try ReiserFS but I believe it was
>>>>>>>>> the journaling function. As a user, you don't really see any of the
>>>>>>>>> benefits, but at the time I had no idea that it wasn't a new feature at
>>>>>>>>> all. I was completely unaware that NTFS already had it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was apparently much better when there were lots of small files, but
>>>>>>>> also a bit more prone to corruption.  ext3 has been rock solid for me,
>>>>>>>> NEVER failed me, and the point of a filesystem is to store my files
>>>>>>>> reliably.  Most of the time, you won't notice a performance difference
>>>>>>>> if you're just a regular desktop/laptop user.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I can only hope that btrfs is an excellent filesystem for the long
>>>>>>> term because that's what I chose. Just to be safe, I set it up for
>>>>>>> snapshots, but I can't imagine it corrupting my data the way that
>>>>>>> Windows managed to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've used it for storage partitions, and on my wifes laptops.  So far
>>>>>> its been pretty good, and I've been using it for years now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has a bad repuation, but my personal experience is good.  I didn't
>>>>>> use it on this laptop, mostly because I wasn't going to use the
>>>>>> features, needed something basic.  Maybe I'll convert this laptop to
>>>>>> BTRFS.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm always wary of converting one filesystem to another. It just gives
>>>>> me the impression that things are very likely to break. I'm just hoping
>>>>> that I'm not wrong about btrfs and that despite its reputation with
>>>>> some, it's as rock-solid as I've been led to believe. If it isn't, I'll
>>>>> just reinstall and use ext4.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't bother unless you've got a good reason to use it.  It's good, yes.
>>>> The snapshots are useful, but so are backups.  It does introduce some
>>>> new administrative things you have to take care of.
>>>>
>>>> I use it on volumes where I specifically required snapshots, and needed
>>>> checksumming.  It's good, but I would still recommend EXT4 for
>>>> situations where BTRFS's additional features are not specifically
>>>> required.
>>>
>>> I can't say that I've ever had problems with ext4, but I also can't say
>>> that I've ever had trouble with btrfs either. If I end up keeping it for
>>> a long time on this laptop, I'll be able to form a, educated opinion
>>> about how reliable btrfs is. I imagine that I might lose data here or
>>> other, but I doubt it will ever be as bad as NTFS.
>>>
>> 
>> Just backup.  BTRFS didn't have a good FSCK tool when I needed it (it
>> ended up making a dogs breakfast of the filesystem, to correct one error
>> so minor that it had almost no effect at all on the usage of the drive).
>
> Out of curiosity, how long ago was this?
>

Not sure exactly, but I would guess 10 years ago.  A long time ago now.

I can't comment on BTRFS fsck since then as I've never needed to use it
again.