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From: anthk <anthk@openbsd.home>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Re: "A Forth OS In 46 Bytes"
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 11:31:22 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-05-29, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
>> My phone is from 2009.  Nobody forces me to abandon it.  What chance
>> are you not given.
>
> You can't use a 2009 phone in the US.  All the 2G and 3G networks are
> shut down.  Even my old 2016 phone was very marginal (I had to install
> some kind of unreliable patch to get it to use LTE for voice) and I
> upgraded to a 2023 phone that is pretty good.  
>
>> E.g., our web server was bought in 2021 and replaced one from 2005.
>> But the 2005-vintage machine is still there and can be used when the
>> need arises.
>
> For servers you can run pretty much the same software as before, but on
> the client side you have to use web browsers to get by in today's world,
> and those browsers have to run awful bloaty Javascript monstrosities
> that are on everyone's web sites now.  It used to be Microsoft Word
> driving a "Wintel" upgrade loop, but now it's the web, and it's harder
> to escape.  I think my laptop in 2005 was a Pentium 3 with 512MB of ram.
> It would be almost unusable now.

Your laptop with GNU/Linux/OpenBSD would be perfectly fine
for tons of tasks:

- Links/Dillo Mainline as a browser 
  - Dillectory: https://alex.envs.net/dillectory/

- Gopher and gopher://magical.fish and gopher://sdf.org
- MPV + yt-dlp, max 480p or 360p.
- Mocp ofr music
- SLRN for this
- IRC+Bitlbee-libpurple for IRC and IM
- Abiword/Ted + GNUMeric + Gnuplot
- PFE runs pretty well as a Forth, altough I hate it's block handling