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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!panix!.POSTED.2602:f977:0:1::2!not-for-mail From: Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:19:14 -0000 (UTC) Organization: My own, such as it is Message-ID: <slrnvch6j2.igi.theise@panix2.panix.com> References: <va0qjd$333np$3@dont-email.me> <jak8cjhtigf2grhab4mdi5jj1cn6sgl62p@4ax.com> <va23d4$3chus$2@dont-email.me> <va2chv$3e7nj$1@dont-email.me> <s0e9cjpqqvc5b4csm7ba6juopur68ufu80@4ax.com> <va2e79$3e2nb$1@dont-email.me> <a0h9cjd3keumjl5ido7au5q8a0418b9d4f@4ax.com> <nth9cjtkmu6fel54vai2bap0qc3qfmdat3@4ax.com> <va2j79$3f6t8$3@dont-email.me> <52l9cjh3n14qpvudp0na3epi6aes52l5mt@4ax.com> <l3dbcj5adhrpgu9o823hhg1pjd9qa4clh9@4ax.com> <va5176$3t7i7$7@dont-email.me> <mqeccjdn25uhluj988oufscjqeekvv52sb@4ax.com> <va5j6d$bnk$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:19:14 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader1.panix.com; posting-host="2602:f977:0:1::2"; logging-data="9688"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (NetBSD) Bytes: 3125 Lines: 42 On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 15:37:33 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > On 8/21/2024 2:31 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 11:30:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski > > <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Spoken like a man totally ignorant of music theory, how > >> difficult it can be and how useful it is when playing, > >> improvising or composing. > > > > <LOL> I doubt the lack of knowledge of music theory caused > > Willy Nelson, Peter Frampton, Paul Simon, John Lennon, > > McArtney, or George Harrison, any trouble... Need I go on? I > > could fill the page with succesful musician/composers who > > never even heard the term "music theory." > > Yes to all that but an equal number of counterexamples. > > There's no general rule; Formal training assists and enriches > some performers/songwriters while others get along well on > extreme diligence and independent study alone. Once in a while > there's even a 'natural', a.k.a., 'idiot savant' as an outlier. > From musicians I've known, I'd say success correlates strongly > to extreme diligence above all else. +1 As someone who started college as a music major, I can confirm the two main categories of career are teaching and performing. So far as classical music goes, making a career out of performing has a couple of options: toiling away at very low paying jobs or hitting the bigtime as a star. Like professional athletics, great success alomost requires an extreme degree of dedication and effort--not to mention some luck, It didn't take me too long to reaize I didn't want to spend half (or more) of every day practicing. On top of that, I didn't really want to teach--so I made an informed decision to switch majors. FWIW, I had music theory in high school, and really enjoyed it. It definitely enhanced my musical abilities too. -- Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA