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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Date: 21 Nov 2024 04:31:13 GMT Organization: none-at-all Lines: 39 Message-ID: <slrnvjtdsh.ubg.spamtrap42@one.localnet> References: <slrnv8npnn.bsh9.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> <sGrAJE.11yAF@yahoo.com> <vh68a8$pb6$2@reader1.panix.com> <PrqdnTeH-sotTqf6nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com> <vhfjd1$19ih8$1@dont-email.me> <vhfq52$1au9f$3@dont-email.me> <vhi0f0$1qqg9$7@dont-email.me> <vhi6v2$1sfdo$1@dont-email.me> <sH5%O.193194$pZ%.186856@fx16.iad> <vhj1le$21ps0$2@dont-email.me> <vhkl9p$2vjs$5@dont-email.me> Reply-To: spamtrap42@jacob21819.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 3JLxtWcG2N/hmRKQJma+0wYBrCdfq2xdabbIkDBCgf/EZkodOC Cancel-Lock: sha1:0EaahS8fHKSZCNwJzYtRvqzP7yA= sha256:UDdWqJdiXIwlx6l32MFkI49fJbC2WWsCFrkp5hjTiEc= User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Bytes: 2663 On 2024-11-20, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 19:30:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> ... my fingers speak [vi/vim] well enough >>> that if I'm trying to move down the screen in other editors a string of >>> "j"s appear on the screen. >> >> The vi/vim apps I’ve used also support the arrow keys, like modern >> programs. >> >>> For sheer economy of keystrokes, vi(m) is hard to beat. >> >> Moving around after inserting text requires n + 1 keystrokes: 1 to exit >> insert mode, and n to move around. Editors which don’t have a separate >> insert mode can do n moves with just n keystrokes. > > With vim, you can be in insert mode and still move around with the arrow keys. > > /usr/share/vim/vim91/doc/ contains about 11 megs o' text help files. > > Actually, one problem with vim is tooooo many ways to do things. :-) Regarding moving around requiring n+1 keystrokes, GNU Emacs lets you experience the power of Control-U. It is a prefix argument that (oversimplification follows, but ...) multiplies the effect of the next action by 4. So, with control-U three times and an arrow key the cursor can move 64 steps in any direction. If you want to execute the current keyboard macro 1024 times, do control-U 5 times, then control-X, then 'e'. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)