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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: systemd (Subject line fixed as a public service) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 20:00:35 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 19 Message-ID: <slrnvoo233.j2u.jj@iridium.wf32df> References: <vjec09$1jpju$1@news.xmission.com> <vjeh88$23spl$1@dont-email.me> <vjfob3$2vfl9$4@dont-email.me> <vm6hd3$3dgbv$1@paganini.bofh.team> <vm6tm4$2klvb$2@dont-email.me> <vmbevs$3v6su$5@paganini.bofh.team> <vmbv2t$3m5re$3@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 21:00:35 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7a81eec1fdb671ec9cbd7ef9159c42de"; logging-data="1162715"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19WTDHEFuKxbS2DCiegu7RnggGO7/32nYM=" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:CrCIc/0rf2XspROBVVE1QQO7OMY= Bytes: 1999 On 2025-01-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 17:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote: > >> Rather that vendors can (an will) break compatibility when they want. > > But they cannot lock Open Source users into their product. > >> And actually systemd is an example of thing that users are essentially >> forced to use regardless if they want it or not ... > > It is one of many choices of init/service-management systems. You have > your choice of distros with or without it. Certainly for headless (no graphics) purposes, it is still comparatively easy in Debian to replace systemd with the old sysv-init(or alternative init) stuff. Though I'm not sure for how long that will be true. But you don't even need to switches distros. I did it recently on a Raspberry Pi with their latest "lite" version of PiOS (Debian based). I was pleasantly surprized at how easy it was.