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From: Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows Is A Great OS ... If Your Time Is Worth Nothing
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 20:54:09 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2025-02-23, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adison Vohn Caterson <Adison@Caterson.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> I [Joel W. Crump] promoted Win7 here [COLA], in the past [2009-2010], [...] because at the
>>>>>>>>> time it really did represent something new and improved in computing.
>>>>>>>>> Today, Linux is hands-down the winner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Linux is the winner?
>>>>>>>>At what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it makes no difference which platform one is using, then Linux is
>>>>>>> the winner by default.  That became true before the release of
>>>>>>> Windows 11.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That kinda makes no sense.
>>>>>>If the OS makes no diffence to the user, that it's a tie, or a
>>>>>>non-issue. A no-win situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> A tie makes the elegant and free Linux the obvious winner.
>>>>
>>>>A tie is a no-win situation.
>>>>For you and your situation, Linux is better.
>>>>Not sure what elegance you see... visually, Windows "looks" better.
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>
>>Then explain how Linux is the winner?
>>What's it winning?
>>
>>If Russia nuked New York, they'd only kill 5 Linux users.
>>Not counting Android, we're talking PC's.
>
>
> Windows 11 has a pretty layout but so does Cinnamon.
>
>
>>>>>>>>I run Linux on this Thinkpad Yoga 14 because Windows 11 won't run on it,
>>>>>>>>and Windows 10 is dead soon. So in that case Linux is better.
>>>>>>>>This laptop can be folded into a tablet, and I can tell you that under
>>>>>>>>Win 10, worked a charm. Under Linux, screen orientation doesn't work,
>>>>>>>>virtual keyboard doesn't work. I only get a virtual keyboard at the
>>>>>>>>logon screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On a 15" Alienware laptop, it's had Windows 11 on it for 3+ years.
>>>>>>>>Runs great, has never blue screened, locked up, refused to do my
>>>>>>>>bidding. Some Windows updates have broken the Dell Support App and the
>>>>>>>>Alienware Command Center, but a fix usually comes from MS or Dell, or a
>>>>>>>>Revo uninstall/reinstall fixes it. I wouldn't even bother putting Linux
>>>>>>>>on the Alienware, as I doubt selecting which video card I want is an
>>>>>>>>option under Linux, and I doubt fan control would be as easy under Linux
>>>>>>>>as it is with Windows 11.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Windows 11 is a computing tool.
>>>>>>>>Linux is a computing tool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The choices being available is the winner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Win11 is OK on hardware that handles it.  Win10 is still OK on a good
>>>>>>> bit of other hardware and on the same hardware for people who don't
>>>>>>> want 11.  I guess the $30 charge would be fair except I did
>>>>>>> voluntarily pay again in 2021, $200, so my upgrade to 11 was
>>>>>>> immediate.  Why can't I freely choose between 11 and 10, on this
>>>>>>> device, during the extended-security-update-availability period?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Microsoft I would think have no financial gain to support the OS past
>>>>>>the 7 years or whatever time period they choose. I wouldn't do free work
>>>>>>7 years after I did the initial work, I'd want money :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whether these changes, updates, upgrades are of value to the user is up
>>>>>>to the user. If one prefers free, pay once forever, want the computer to
>>>>>>last 15 years, Linux would likely be the only choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But if one just has to have MS Office, or some tax software, or some 
>>>>>>device integration that only Windows provides, that's what they'll use.
>>>>>>The usual preference is that the computer came with the OS, meaning no
>>>>>>preference.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like Apple macOS - but it is as good as Windows and Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you see where I'm going with this.
>>>>
>>>>I do.
>>>>You have an opinion.
>>>>Yay.
>>>
>>> No, an observation.
>>
>>Other than on your computer, what observations lead you to believe Linux
>>is winning?
>>
>>Capturing me as a new user doesn't count.
>>I'm part time, yet to be seized by the rapture.
>
>
> It's not even contestable, Linux wins because it isn't the behemoth.

I knew it was just the company.
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