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From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
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Subject: Re: Average speed
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 14:12:04 -0700
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On 11 May 2025 19:56:17 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2025 16:33:00 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon May 5 18:21:42 2025 Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 05 May 2025 17:21:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That is why you used your Strava Account. So that all you had
>>>>> to do is erase your phony milelage and you can claim you never
>>>>> posted that. But everyone saw it. Too bad for you.
>>>> 
>>>> Wrong.  It's easy enough to edit a Strava ride using the "crop"
>>>> command.  I had to do that on my Friday trudge, where I forgot to stop
>>>> logging and ended up with some rather impressive walking statistics on
>>>> the way to a lavish Chinese lunch.
>>>> <https://www.strava.com/activities/14357311501>
>>>> "Crop Tool for Activities"
>>>> <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919437-Crop-Tool-for-Activities>
>>>> 
>>>> However, it's rather difficult to fake a ride in Strava.  There are
>>>> instructions available for how it might be done, but the few I've read
>>>> don't look very easy or reliable.  
>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=strava%20how%20to%20fake%20a%20bicycle%20ride>
>>>> Besides, why would Zen Cycle want to do that?  There's no prices,
>>>> acclaim or notoriety for doing it.  There are also people who would be
>>>> happy to report anything suspicious.  It's just not worth the risk.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom, if you want to accuse someone of cheating, I suggest you provide
>>>> some evidence.
>>>> 
>>>> "How to Report Cheating on Strava"
>>>> <https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/206522304-How-to-Report-Cheating-on-Strava>
>>> 
>>> This must be another of youer really bright days. All you have to do isw
>>> turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your car which Flunky clearly did.
>
>Strava is rather better at flagging such stuff up, MTBers are common for
>this, ie forget to turn it off, so have the drive home as well!

I just noticed that Tom suggest that:

"All you have to do isw turn your Garmin on and drive a course in your
car..."

That's rather difficult because I don't walk much in areas frequented
by motor vehicles, hike on paved roads, engage in racing, etc.  I
suspect that Tom expects me to drive my car on the same narrow dirt
trails on which I hike.  I don't think my Subaru will fit:
<https://www.reddit.com/r/norcalhiking/comments/116xhb0/quail_hollow_ranch_county_park_feb_3_2023/>
  
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/SuzNVahC97S6u4k28>
Hmmm... Dec 20, 2019.  The current sign now includes 4(?) additional
"No" items.

>> I live in the deep dark forest, where there aren't too many "really
>> bright days".  Right now, it's 5.2 watts/meters^2.  Fortunately,
>> things do look brighter at around noon.
>> 
>> I don't own a Garmin cycling computer.  I use a phone (Moto G Power
>> 2020) and the free Strava app:
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.strava>
>> I'm also wondering if you really had sensors for each of your 15(?)
>> bicycles or if you moved one or two sensors between bicycles as
>> needed.  Of course, you recalibrated each sensor when you moved it.
>> 
>> I have driven away in my car and forgotten to turn off the app.  It
>> happens more often than I care to admit.  I solved that problem by
>> hanging a small sign over my steering wheel with a reminder.  
>> 
>> I always crop the ride data to eliminate the part where I forgot to
>> turn off the data logger.  I usually walk (not ride) in the morning
>> and do any necessary edits on my home computer a few hours later.  If
>> you want to see my data before I edit it, I usually walk on Fridays
>> from 9:30am to about 11:30am PDT and make the necessary edits
>> somewhere between 3pm and 10pm PDT.
>> <https://www.strava.com/athlete/training>
>> 
>> Could you remind me why you closed your Strava account and deleted all
>> your saved data?
>> 
>> 
>I rather suspect it showed his bragging rights to be rather unfounded!

Actually, Tom's Strava data didn't show many unfounded claims.  At the
time, I was being very diplomatic and did NOT post many remarks about
Tom's rides.  My only comments involved Tom making occasional mistakes
and using his rides as "proof" whether Abbott Labs had closed one of
their building in the area.  I didn't fact check all of Tom's rides,
but the one's I checked were generally accurate for location and
fairly inaccurate at to speed and distance probably because Tom didn't
calibrate his speed and cadence sensor or crop is data the few times
when he accidentally included a car ride.  I suspect the only reason
Tom was posting his rides to Strava was because Lou Holtman had asked
Tom to post his Strava rides (approx May 2021 thru Feb 2024).  

>I find it useful as a diary and as a social tool, plus I do like the route
>builder as I like the path less traveled so can see if someone has used X
>trail and when? Ie is it likely to exist on the ground or does it exist
>only on the map and so on.

I record my rides on Strava mostly to impress my friends, some of whom
are becoming couch potatoes (fat and lazy).  I also want to get better
aquatinted with the program and how it works.  Also, because my
cardiologist repeatedly demands that I get more exercise.

>Roger Merriman

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