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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.lang Subject: Re: Somewheres Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:11:57 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 30 Message-ID: <t0m4fj5mhj7kpda1geplk7ab4m7c8hh3ii@4ax.com> References: <vb4ejj$2rvka$1@dont-email.me> <slrnvdc4bi.ddb.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <edabf711d308110e032139b1c7757679@www.novabbs.com> <413fad492ea5f969e1cb56bf570b6c49@www.novabbs.com> <slrnvdh927.6rm.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <vbadna$3v57k$1@dont-email.me> <slrnvdk5so.278.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <vbe6pf$nlq3$1@dont-email.me> <slrnvebciq.asd.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de> <2c70fjdc5fl88vf3864a9c7rn9cubb8g8f@4ax.com> <vcqadb$2d4i1$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:11:58 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8bcb8c69286136de81eb1fba419f6cde"; logging-data="3270585"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19gcVjqf33ARThSNdHlwo6w" Cancel-Lock: sha1:xsvESJ28CC4RJEmYUpvFdiZdAIs= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Bytes: 2603 Mon, 23 Sep 2024 09:48:56 +1000: Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> scribeva: >On 22/09/24 23:37, Ruud Harmsen wrote: >> Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:57:14 -0000 (UTC): Christian Weisgerber >> <naddy@mips.inka.de> scribeva: >> >>> I'm a bit sensitive to this because Italian and Spanish are >>> pro-drop languages, i.e., they omit the subject pronoun, except for >>> emphasis or disambiguation. Spanish in particular does not >>> distinguish 1SG and 3SG in the imperfect, conditional, present >>> subjunctive, or imperfect subjunctive, and Spanish speakers seem to >>> feel little need to inject pronouns for disambiguation, which can >>> be disorienting to language learners. >> >> Portuguese does, digo eu. > >Irish is intermediate in this respect. First person pronouns are rarely >needed, because the verb endings are distinctive. In second and third >person the verb endings don't help, so pronouns are essential. > >I imagine there was a time long ago when it was a pro-drop language, but >then gradually the verb endings were eroded down into a simpler system. > >In the Germanic languages, including English, the erosion has gone a lot >further. Et le français aussi. -- Ruud Harmsen, https://rudhar.com