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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: gun carrry on bikes Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 09:39:06 +0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 264 Message-ID: <t16fej508hbiktljt4pvfqmkar3747qcdf@4ax.com> References: <jL_EO.385225$grz1.291350@fx03.ams4> <vc1urd$vige$2@dont-email.me> <1r%EO.304287$kpic.194284@fx15.ams4> <7g19ejd7f87rbnjhp7o81fm27vb7v5vv07@4ax.com> <HG0FO.731584$azJ4.425506@fx16.ams4> <l269ejl2qv33b902c7f1lir48biu8d6rl7@4ax.com> <BacFO.733442$azJ4.36608@fx16.ams4> <vc45tj$1gaju$5@dont-email.me> <vc4sn4$1li1o$3@dont-email.me> <vc6usg$27805$2@dont-email.me> <IZEFO.75551$4J12.6936@fx12.ams4> <vc77pv$29vut$1@dont-email.me> <zwGFO.171043$b6j.58009@fx11.ams4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:39:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="44229ab4a6139b7c2cf7931c1d0011ea"; logging-data="2761298"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+Ryr0HQVl8EjC/Byv+8sDCM5lYEbcFhAI=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.10.32.1212 Cancel-Lock: sha1:vT2ExfSX5Y1CPAbsRiPcanoOK20= Bytes: 12253 On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:25:19 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> On 9/15/2024 12:39 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>> On 9/14/2024 3:46 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>> On 9/14/2024 10:17 AM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>> On 9/14/2024 3:53 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:48:55 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:23:57 GMT, Roger Merriman >>>>>>>>>> <roger@sarlet.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 12:37 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/13/2024 8:15 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 6:45 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2024 5:40 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:13:42 -0400, Frank >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krygowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Your near-default point is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Everyone's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision is correct." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is "You don't need to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to extremes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be safe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially on a bike." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My frequent point is that safe is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subjective evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel safe on a bicycle sidepath, you don't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You feel safe on a bicycle sidepath only if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handgun ready to draw and fire within a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct. Suits his situation, in his personal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As always, when seconds matter, 911 is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twenty minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "His situation" is shared by many other path >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users. I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> betting he's the only one so afraid as to never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his gun. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe not for those previously mugged. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There seems to be lack of equipment to carry a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun on a bike, and indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?s not mentioned by American YouTubers and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It appears not to be sold which suggests doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really have a market, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can buy all sorts of cycling accessories for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you phone and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let alone that from how he described it, it?s a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice pleasurable place to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride. Doesn?t sound risky or deprived which often >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are linked for well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That he wants to and so on, well that?s his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice and so on but doesn?t >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound like he rides in a risky area. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Easily fabricated as Mr Tricycle has or just one >>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amazon: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/bikase-gunkase-motorcycle- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> subcompact- handguns/dp/b0839m7t3y >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet you £1 that your local London area shop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stock them. Different market entirely. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I admire his initiative and effort to do so but >>>>>>>>>>>>> that?s kinda of the point, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that your bike shop and one?s local to >>>>>>>>>>>>> Him would also not stock >>>>>>>>>>>>> them or similar. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As it?s just not a thing for most cyclists after >>>>>>>>>>>>> all if it was be more than >>>>>>>>>>>>> random Amazon bits. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We stock it and sell them occasionally. Less than inner >>>>>>>>>>>> tubes, but some. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That I?m mildly surprised by, though I?m still >>>>>>>>>>> unconvinced it?s common or >>>>>>>>>>> more bike related company?s would make such stuff. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Catrike is a unique situation. There's no way to >>>>>>>>>> put on a >>>>>>>>>> handlebar bag or a top bar bag, or the little holster >>>>>>>>>> shown above. >>>>>>>>>> I've been working with PVC pipe a lot: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even so it?s clearly not a common thing or item,I?d >>>>>>>>> suspect that a hand gun >>>>>>>>> with its shape weight would need to be be somewhat >>>>>>>>> ungainly weight in a bar >>>>>>>>> or top bag, I?d assume be fine with MTB backpacks/ >>>>>>>>> hydration packs as they >>>>>>>>> tend to have lots of pockets and be made with more >>>>>>>>> durable/stuff material. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My Bersa thunder weighs 20 oz empty. Height 4.9" length >>>>>>>> 1.3 " >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nine .380 rds weighs another 3 or 4 oz. The whole >>>>>>>> package is about the >>>>>>>> same weight as a 24 oz bottle of water and much smaller. >>>>>>>> https://bersausa.com/product/thunder-380/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Less it’s absolute weight more that it’s going focus it’s >>>>>>> weight due its >>>>>>> shape and size, and certainly with bar bags (along the >>>>>>> handlebars) unless >>>>>>> it’s a fairly packed bag it’s going to get tossed about, >>>>>>> and so on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Likewise jersey pockets and so on likely to sub par so >>>>>>> for folks who do >>>>>>> unless it’s a fairly relaxed man on a bike types would >>>>>>> need to find some >>>>>>> solutions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992548551/ >>>>>>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53992540086/ >>>>>>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and it looked easier than it was. It involved heating >>>>>>>>>> and bending the >>>>>>>>>> Pvc Pipe and quickly cooling it to lock the shape. >>>>>>>>>> Then cutting and >>>>>>>>>> grinding make it so the Kydex holster fit and locked >>>>>>>>>> into it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/j_soloman/53145141933/ >>>>>>>>>> in/datetaken/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Kydex holster is important because it protects the >>>>>>>>>> trigger. I can >>>>>>>>>> use that same Kydex holster with out any changes to >>>>>>>>>> clip onto my belt >>>>>>>>>> for inside the waistband carry. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do admire the effort even if I don?t see the >>>>>>>>> usefulness of it as you ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========