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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Difference between GPS and measured distace. Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2024 16:51:11 -0700 Lines: 49 Message-ID: <t3oscj5v9gj5khelr2qi18cfiutcsrj715@4ax.com> References: <ItvpO.115575$BYv6.6500@fx09.iad> <NDvpO.697397$zXH9.679428@fx01.ams4> <CCwpO.50105$5Mb7.8596@fx47.iad> <v865p1$2gfi$1@dont-email.me> <gBypO.1077484$VBH2.372545@fx16.ams4> <v86p6d$5kqb$1@dont-email.me> <xtHpO.700315$zXH9.686505@fx01.ams4> <P_2zO.143264$WT8.52019@fx45.iad> <3n6zO.385362$Ny_9.78320@fx03.ams4> <74vpcj5sv8cakvvr4gccd2dauar46mbqbs@4ax.com> <KQszO.4107$fD72.2257@fx06.ams4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net WDOdE1vM0xn8xO3N7iidlQRl4i4xJkUrHfV7aDzBT/0fh8ni6M Cancel-Lock: sha1:MUgI4FnlZNdblpA1BtXfUOm6rEc= sha256:TJNa8Bf1EqO7HLV2D9WGo/1daixPNhLM0Bkq3+LaR4k= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 3609 On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 22:56:42 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >I have the 830 like Tom does. (...) >I still think this is a Tom issue the devices are same and easy enough to >change the preferences and see if it makes any difference. If I suspect interference, I sometimes use two or more different GPS receivers and watch the numbers change on the status display. There are many apps for displaying GPS performance on a smartphone. I don't know what's available on the Garmin 830. Probably fairly minimal. If there's interference, one or more of the displays are going to show erratic changes in C/No (carrier to noise ratio) and the various DPO (dilution of position) accuracy values. <https://gisgeography.com/gps-accuracy-hdop-pdop-gdop-multipath/> Unfortunately, such a test is not perfect. Multipath and reflections can produce the same erratic numbers as interference. Therefore, running such a comparison while moving or next to moving traffic is not going to work. Admittedly, I've never tried this with a cycling computer because they usually don't display C/No and DoP for individual satellites. I've always done it with smartphones and GPS diagnostics apps. Don't expect to easily find the interference source. For that, I use a spectrum analyzer and a very directional antenna tuned to the applicable GPS constellation frequency. It's very difficult to obtain sufficient gain with a very broadband GPS antenna that covers all the constellations. I have one horn antenna cut for the GPS band, but I have nothing for Glonass or Galileo. So far, I've found a few GPS interference sources more by inspection than with direction finding. Most of the time, I can't find anything suspicious. Most of the direction finding and transmitter hunting I've done in the last 3 decades has been chasing down sources of Wi-Fi interference and the usual intermodulation mixes at crowded radio sites. For the non-believers in GPS interference, here are some papers written about a local GPS interference (or jamming) incident: <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/GPS%20Jamming%20Moss%20Landing/> Spoiler: The interference was caused by a broadcast TV antenna mounted amplifier and I had nothing to do with finding the source. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558