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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: cyclists attack auto driver Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:17:36 -0700 Lines: 87 Message-ID: <t4rsbjhmcviccbfblqg837i5tbkr9hs4fn@4ax.com> References: <natpbjpflimtqa3k1p3dfrmkkd27ih9l0r@4ax.com> <bkiqbjlutis6dcl8ika0t0i8l70125sa18@4ax.com> <aklrbjl45g43p45kdur66099751466pmfi@4ax.com> <v9ktff$3t7dn$6@dont-email.me> <v9l5dh$10a85$1@dont-email.me> <427sbjpl85qb9v28m4s8ihqj335so892n9@4ax.com> <v9l8st$10sp6$1@dont-email.me> <roasbjhu3ibopvk8a8je20fl7vgal25pdk@4ax.com> <0bcsbjt8h8skpf8ou65tnecng2qj1acpla@4ax.com> <v9lcql$11ai1$1@dont-email.me> <ttnsbj185hefogpma6bf8avjkcpi6e4t80@4ax.com> <v9lntl$12sro$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net X6AfHWLXu18yaTuk5mx1kwN5yHqFr1vqMOEkDy2AgDgncOi7UG Cancel-Lock: sha1:THcrt5iRNpA+B9vVfdMLH8ySFpQ= sha256:eEAdrf6CTQZe1dvymjzTdheptAN6sJqMVzMqXuxWzoY= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 4549 On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 15:20:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >On 8/15/2024 3:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:10:47 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >> >>> On 8/15/2024 11:57 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 12:38:35 -0400, Catrike Ryder >>>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 11:03:42 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>> Usenet changed my ALT-259 heart into a question mark. >>>> >>>> Usenet messages are all 7 bit characters. Most (not all) of the alt >>>> characters are 8 bit, which are replaced by a question mark >>>> >>>>> I know how to use acii characters in computer code, but I've never >>>>> done it in regular text. >>>> >>>> See: >>>> <https://www.alt-codes.net/how_to_use_alt_codes/> >>>> <https://www.alt-codes.net> >>>> When I cut-n-paste these 8 bit characters from a document into a text >>>> editor or word processor, it appears correctly. However, when I >>>> pasted them into a newsreader (Forte Agent), it sometimes appears >>>> correctly on my screen, but when I read the message as posted, it >>>> produces a question mark or black square. >>>> >>>> Try some of the other hearts and see what happens: >>>> >>>> Heart alt-codes: >>>> <https://www.alt-codes.net/heart_alt_code.php> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Here's an ALT-3 >>> >>> ? >> >> It shows as a single question mark. If you want, I can sniff the NNTP >> traffic with Wireshark, between my computah and my service provider >> and see what is actually sent to my ISP. If it's a question mark, >> then the change is being made in whatever program you're using for >> reading Usenet news. If it's something else, the change might happen >> at the ISP (although I doubt it). >Not motivated enough to track it down. Good, because I'm loafing today. I sold my Craftsman drill press, which involved tearing it apart, carrying the heavy pieces down 32(?) stairs and loading everything into a friends pickup. We delivered it yesterday. I'm still tired and taking the day off to recover: <https://photos.app.goo.gl/6vN9aQHE1osJv3uh6> >I know a few common extended-character codes which are >enough for document processors (Word) and text (Notepad). > >Haven't had a problem with those in Thunderbird emails, only >usenet, and I don't need to memorize a duplicate set. It's not going to be fixed in Usenet, no matter what software is used. Looking at your header in your last message, I see: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Although your Thunderbird supports 8 bit Unicode characters as UTF-8, the encoding for file transfer (NNTP) is only 7 bit. So, my guess(tm) is that Thunderbird is converting or truncating everything you send to 7 bit characters. For comparison, my message header looks like this: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 It's similar to yours except that Forte Agent doesn't support 8 bit Unicode characters, just ASCII. I hope this helps. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558