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From: Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: Programming Languages
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 15:55:02 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

>On a sunny day (Sat, 02 Nov 2024 14:46:50 +0000) it happened Cursitor Doom
><cd@notformail.com> wrote in <beecij9b6q9s1tccqch6a9hhnege4h5507@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 07:42:19 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Nov 2024 18:04:21 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor
>>>Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote in <vg3575$3bio0$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>You can call me old fashioned, but I still believe there's never been a 
>>>>more elegant computer language than the original K&R C. You can keep the 
>>>>rest; I'll stick with that.
>>>
>>>Agree, I use C only and asm when needed.
>>>I started with binary interfacing hardware...
>>>Nothing of all of that was hard.
>>>
>>>BASIC was fun too, but very limiting, slow interpreted language.
>>>but fun for simple math...
>>>No floating point shit when doing asm .
>>>most human relevant things can be done in 32 bit integer.
>>>
>>>My first computer was a Sinclair ZX80
>>>It ran BASIC, a good BASIC.
>>>Then I converted it to a CP/M machine, running the C80 C compiler.
>>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/index.html
>>>Added all sortd of I/O:
>>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html
>>>
>>>At work I was using the first IBM PCs..
>>>designing ISA cards with all sort of things on it, like vector stuff,
>>>process control, what not.
>>>My CP/M running Z81 (by then) was faster than the IBM due to the RAMDISK I build.
>>>
>>>Still using C now at home and Micochip PIC asm...
>>>No bloat today
>>
>>About 30 years ago, I bought a C compiler from Microsoft. It came in a
>>foot-cube box with thumping great manuals and umpteen discs. What a
>>pile of shit that turned out to be. It was *riddled* with bugs and the
>>Microsoft 'support' people were as dense as pig shit and didn't seem
>>to know a thing about the product. But that didn't stop them keeping
>>me tied up on the line racking up charges while they came up with ever
>>more ingenious tactics of trying to cover up how vacuous they really
>>were on the subject. I subsequently migrated to Borland and life got a
>>hell of a lot better, thankfully.
>
>C/80 (for Z80) was a nice C compiler
>In 1998 I bought a computer magazine at the train station and it came with a CD with SLS Linux
>That distro had, among other things, gcc as C compiler.
>Moved to Linux right away and been using gcc ever since.
>I alaready had a book on Unix, so it took just a few hours to get working in linux.
>The Unix book I had bought because years earlier I worked a while at a big linear accelerator where they used those PDP things that
>ran Unix.
>
>For work I have had to work with Microsoft stuff and C++ and what not, what a mess.
>These days you can just ask AI to write the code for you?

You certainly can and many people have. Quite how good the code is
another matter, though. I have no info on that aspect but would
welcome any others may have.