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On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 04:01:23 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:

>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>say:
>
>>On 10/22/2024 2:54 AM, Xocyll wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>>> say:
>>> 
>>>> On 10/21/2024 1:11 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/21/2024 7:15 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:49 -0400, Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> looked up from reading the
>>>>>>>> entrails of the porn spammer to utter  "The Augury is good, the signs
>>>>>>>> say:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2024 7:48 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I like the movie. I don't like to read. :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The movie had been written and was already in pre-production when the
>>>>>>>>> producers found out the movie rights to the book were for sale.  So they
>>>>>>>>> bought those rights so they could use the book's title.
>>>>>>>>> No joke.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Title and bolted on a few names from the book, and a couple of themes
>>>>>>>> (the whole service thing.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But everything else was a mockery - assault rifles with an apparent
>>>>>>>> range of 10 feet, forcing the soldiers to shoot point blank at something
>>>>>>>> that can cut them in half with a swipe.   Um yeah, sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And the whole psi corp stuff in SS uniforms, no wonder the film is
>>>>>>>> nicknamed Nazi Germany 90210.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yeah, and the chick flying the ship dodging an asteroid coming in
>>>>>>>> FTL, yeah, these guys can't even spell science much less know any.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And don't forget the complete and utter lack of powered battle armor,
>>>>>>> something the book is most famous for popularizing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Starship Troopers" without powered armor is Star Wars without
>>>>>>> lightsabers. I mean, sure you _could_... but why?*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fairness, a lot of the other stuff mentioned above (the fascism,
>>>>>>> the shitty science, the psi stuff) was part and parcel of the book
>>>>>>> too, albeit not so central to the narrative. I'll forgive that... even
>>>>>>> if I didn't necessarily enjoy it. But the lack of powered armor?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually the political stuff in the movie is almost the polar opposite
>>>>>> of the book.  Heinlein wrote a war story about service, as in western
>>>>>> democracy type "service".  The citizenship criteria in the book was
>>>>>> _ANY_ kind of service.  Being assigned as a park ranger planting trees
>>>>>> was service and could grant citizenship.  He strongly emphasized that
>>>>>> non-citizens were not an underclass.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The "Nazis BAAAAD!" parts of the movie were ALL Verhoeven, things that
>>>>>> he added deliberately.  He's admitted that in interviews.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah. Someone needs to reboot Starship Troopers movies. Maybe a TV series instead?
>>>>
>>>> There was an animated series (have the DVDs) and a series of animated
>>>> movies in addition to the two sequels to Verhoeven's movie.
>>> 
>>> Four Sequels.
>>> 
>>Oh for fornication's sake.  I've seen 2 and 3, when did 4 and 5 come out?
>
>The whole mess
>Starship troopers (1997)
>Starship Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation (2004 DTV)
>Starship Troopers 3: Marauder (2008 DTV)
>Starship Troopers: Invasion (2012 Animated)
>Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars (2017 Animated)
>
>I have not seen 4 and 5, but 2 and 3 were dreck.
>

4 & 5 were pretty bad too, but because they were animated, I gave them
more of a pass. They were more obviously aimed at the younger-set, so
the shallow characters, story and dialogue seemed more appropriate.
The visuals were okay.

I wouldn't go out of my way to re-watch them, though. Frankly, the
entire movie franchise is pretty terrible.

(IMHO, obviously. It's all subjective. If you like the movies, good
for you; I'm glad you had more fun with them than I did!)