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Subject: Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux
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On 11/18/24 4:46 AM, G wrote:
> 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> After consideration ...... you only install WHAT YOU ARE
>> LIKELY TO *NEED*. That will vary from person to person,
>> app to app, year to year.
> True, but probably you will keep using the same stuff year after
> year, unless your job changes.

   As said ... "what you need".

   There isn't a gigabyte set of utilities/apps
   that everyone HAS to have. If you are doing
   terminal-only then that list can be quite small.
   If you are not doing much dev work then a lot
   of stuff can be ignored. All in all, less is
   better, even with Linux.

>> The more shit you install the
>> more complicated things get.
> Not really, you just waste some space for something you installed but don't
> use and then forget about.
>   
>> Just make sure 'nano' is there. There's a trick to setting the default
>> editor to nano, find it. I know Manjaro doesn't just assume this - loves to
>> default to the horrible 'vi' or 'vim'. Nano makes things SO much nicer -
>> like kinda up to 1984  :-)
> 
> Not nicer, easier for someone that doesn't use text editor often and has to
> make a small change in a config file. Fedora switched its default editor to
> Nano for this reason time ago. If you use a text editor for programming using
> Nano instead of vim (or emacs) would be a nightmare.

   Anything less than nano IS a nightmare ... remind me
   of the horrific 'edlin' that came with early DOS. At
   least nano kinda gets you into the 1980s ......

   Long back wrote an ASM app that was a full-screen
   editor like nano - using the IBM-PC BIOS routines
   made it a lot easier. I did it because I *hated*
   edlin so much (and writing ASM was a buzz). Recently
   found the code for an early version of it in my
   archives ... maybe I'll re-do/finish, but for 32 bit.

> 
> As for the "Subject", I usally install Fedora with the "netinstall" disc so I
> can choose from the start what I want and I have a system with KDE, vim,
> gnuplot, gcc, gdb, LaTeX, Libreoffice ready, I have to add very little:
> xmgrace and agrmerge, plus a few utilities I use, like ncdu, htop and bpytop,
> ag, pdfshuffler...

   I'm not a fanatic, indeed almost always install a GUI
   for convenience. Do NOT always set it to autostart
   however, depending. For SOME things those GUI file
   managers/editors make life SO much easier. Fooling
   with the latest FreeBSD right now ... XFCE installed
   but does NOT autostart.

   Depending on YOUR wants and needs even LibreOffice
   might be a good addition. It IS just HUGE though
   with massive dependencies.

   It's the "dependencies" issue that most peeves me
   about Linux. Maybe seemed OK long long back but
   it's become a DRAG ... an impediment to "doing
   stuff" as it's hard to find the EXACT right versions
   of lib files and such. For all its evil, M$ is MUCH
   better at this stuff. Time for a new paradigm
   for Linux.

   But how to get SO many developers on-board at
   the same time ???