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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Job Offer
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 20:20:42 +0700
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 07:34:49 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/18/2025 4:52 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 04:05:22 -0400, Catrike Ryder
>> <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> I never said I though I was loved by God.On Tue, 18 Mar 2025 08:52:46 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 12:06:55 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/17/2025 12:03 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:35:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/17/2025 11:07 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2025 10:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 10:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2025 4:28 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Education isn't an accomplishment, it's a tool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's both. Education can't be simply given to a person.
>>>>>>>>>> It can be greatly helped by a competent teacher, but the
>>>>>>>>>> person still has to work to achieve it. Doing that
>>>>>>>>>> successfully is an accomplishment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's odd is that this discussion group has a few
>>>>>>>>>> denizens who think they can accomplish just as much
>>>>>>>>>> without that tool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In modern parlance, they actually are the tools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's binary or Manichean.  That is, both or
>>>>>>>>> all can be true in different examples.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Examples abound of both autodidacts with gaping holes in
>>>>>>>>> their repertoire (me) and others who accomplished much
>>>>>>>>> from the same background (Franklin).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Benjamin Franklin was brilliant. It's been pointed out that
>>>>>>>> his science accomplishments alone would have won Nobel
>>>>>>>> Prizes had they existed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But any modern American is a fool if he says "Franklin was
>>>>>>>> great and he learned it all himself. So I don't need no
>>>>>>>> schooling."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right, that would be a logical leap in most cases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still and all, situations, capacity, attitude and resources
>>>>>>> vary so much that a certificate or a degree may not hold a
>>>>>>> good return for everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again this is the difference between education broadly and
>>>>>>> certification specifically.  No one wants a heart surgeon or
>>>>>>> structural engineer who sorta gets the general idea in his
>>>>>>> field:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-BpW_cM7iYc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I very clearly remember the moment when I reached awareness. It was in
>>>>>> fourth grade and I was assigned a couple of pages of long division,
>>>>>> which I was ordered to copy out of the book and "<LOL> solve....  I
>>>>>> did a couple and then it hit me. I know how to do this and doing it
>>>>>> over and over serves no purpose. That's when I started ignoring the
>>>>>> assignments and going ahead in the book on my own. I did very little
>>>>>> homework from that day on, but I did well on all the tests. The
>>>>>> ignorant teachers insisted on basing too much of the grades on the
>>>>>> "daily work, instead of simply how much was learned. I think it hurt
>>>>>> their feelings that I ignored their instructions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting. Yeah, I
>>>>>> know that wouldn't work for doctors, nurses, and dentists, but those
>>>>>> kinds of professions are too restrictive for me anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point, and you understand the difference. See also
>>>>> airplane mechanics.
>>>>
>>>> "Most of what I know, I learned by reading and experimenting."
>>>>
>>>> Airplane mechanic?
>>>>
>>>> And the pilots don't complain? ():-)
>>>
>>> I never worked on an airplane, but I wrenched on cars and trucks and
>>> boats and tractors and snowmobiles and motorcycles and bicycles. I
>>> didn't need a school teacher for any of that.
>> 
>> I am genuine,, Federal licensed, Airplane Mechanic (:-)  Air plane
>> mechanizing  is more a  matter of doing work correctly and maybe more
>> important not doing things wrong. For example there are limits on how
>> many and what sort welds can be made in a steel tube aircraft
>> fuselage. Or the correct process to weld an internal combustion engine
>> exhaust and so on and everything that might come loose has to be
>> secures with safety wire, or other safety system to avoid things
>> falling off in flight (Upsets the pilots greatly when parts start
>> falling off in flight  :-)
>> 
>>   
>+1
>
>Pilot can't just 'pull over and fix it' en route.

Well, they can, so to speak, "pull over" but are rather reluctant to
do so (:-)
-- 
Cheers,

John B.