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From: John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
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On 14 Mar 2025 21:41:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> writes:
>> 
>>> On 12 Mar 2025 17:00:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 12 Mar 2025 06:31:29 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 15:46:28 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue Mar 11 10:58:45 2025 Roger Merriman  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11 Mar 2025 10:23:20 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2025 2:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People form their own opinions and arrange their own 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior based on their own situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes - or based on their own phobias. I know people who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> horribly afraid of spiders, garter snakes, honeybees, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graveyards and more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smart? No. Logical? No. But at least they're not carrying 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My daughter for example used to take the train to work in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inclement or bitter cold Chicago winters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No longer. ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're the anecdote master, Andrew. But IIRC you've not yet 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found a horrifying anecdote about quiet bike paths in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suburban Florida, near our timid tricycle rider.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The murder of this thread was of an unarmed man on a bike path.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because it can happen doesnt mean it will happen, going
>>>>>>>>>>>> out on limb
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I suspect that CatTrike Ryder will be perfectly safe
>>>>>>>>>>>> with or without
>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying any guns on his rides.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect he knows this as well, but simply likes having the
>>>>>>>>>>>> gun on him?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I spent more then a year in Vietnam where people did, on occasion,
>>>>>>>>>>> shoot at you and I can assure you that a firearm did give you a
>>>>>>>>>>> certain sense of security :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Even when they weren't shooting :-)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I?m assuming this was the Vietnam war or similar which is a
>>>>>>>>>> kinda difficult
>>>>>>>>>> risk case to put it mildly!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> And yes there are places where having a gun on you seems a
>>>>>>>>>> wise decision,
>>>>>>>>>> riding your bike even in America doesn?t seems likely hence
>>>>>>>>>> the absence of
>>>>>>>>>> bike specific kit to do so.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Do you suppose that Vietnam or Laos is safe today?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I?d assume so yes, I?d confidently predict it has lower violent crime rate
>>>>>>>> than US, certainly folks who have gone there or lived there
>>>>>>>> haven?t claimed
>>>>>>>> they needed a gun or someone with gun for protection!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can't speak for Vietnam or Laos, which are both Communist,  but in
>>>>>>> Thailand, my nephew - manages a family business in the village -
>>>>>>> estimates that every business will have at least one gun (legal or
>>>>>>> not) on the premises and all gold shops, for sure, will have one at
>>>>>>> the sales counter, and they will shoot.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is moving goal posts, ie folks are using guns as deterrent against
>>>>>> robbery at high value stores.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And yes guns can be a deterrent, here as the armed police are so lethal,
>>>>>> and using a gun will make you a target both literally and for
>>>>>> investigation, so only very dumb folks use guns as the risks are so high,
>>>>>> and tend to pay the price for doing so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That?s rather different to having a gun, for bike ride or popping to the
>>>>>> shops and so on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Europeans, especially the Brits, are much more willing to let
>>>>> their government run their lives for them than we USAians. The attempt
>>>>> here to move us in that direction that was soundly rejected in the
>>>>> last election. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>> Soloman
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Guns as protection or other weapons where used particularly in the era of
>>>> the highwaymen but was more seen as tool than a culture, ie when the risk
>>>> diminished then it fell out of use and over time became regulated.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Merriman
>>> 
>>> From what I understand, in the UK, guns were regulated out of
>>> existance by the government.
>> 
>> According to George Orwell, if I recall correctly, and can't be arsed to
>> try to look it up, firearms in the UK went from easily available to
>> tightly regulated about the time that the upper classes began to fear a
>> homegrown Bolshevik revolution.
>> 
>
>Ish, was number of factors in 1920 being yes fears of working class
>revolution, to the supply of weapons from the Great war, to the conflict
>with Ireland.
>
>Wasn’t terribly regulated even then, and weapons have been legislated in uk
>for getting on for 1000 years now, even firearms or at least pistols
>regulations seem to predate American as colonies let alone a country.
>
>Hence it’s become more regulated over time, most of early 20th century
>laws, where not much of hindrance to access or ownership really.
>
>Roger Merriman
https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1btc60t
"Gun Culture in Early Modern England"

Almost as soon as guns became available in the early sixteenth
century, the English government imposed on its subjects whose income
was beneath a prescribed level an array of regulations that limited
their possession and use of firearms.¹ Using statutes and
proclamations, the authorities amplified the effort begun in the
Middle Ages to prevent persons at the lower rungs of society from
having access to weapons.

-- 
Cheers,

John B.