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Path: ...!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Facebook Account Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 09:26:19 -0700 Lines: 77 Message-ID: <tr2ccjholqs6hrtl7buphppqqt0psjocu1@4ax.com> References: <ZuawO.460378$89y.355349@fx18.iad> <v9ss9r$1v8v2$10@dont-email.me> <SQnwO.515782$a6n5.254570@fx15.iad> <v9tcdf$1v8v1$4@dont-email.me> <OeOwO.111999$1w_2.53033@fx48.iad> <49l7cj5bhrtcqajj298mdj702mu8irkdvk@4ax.com> <va2al2$3dlns$3@dont-email.me> <p7e9cj1jq391obfcn1s2qe9rjdn79uje1n@4ax.com> <va4col$3qdaj$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net h9i+4JiflfaVh7VFhDJIOwN+qdM16UcVjXIny1gONmbhPAWuwb Cancel-Lock: sha1:8DDtBwgsfEEru9q8oQSlLFcm+HA= sha256:FKrPxpHwGYMPbyIpvBzs9UQiMbyMBE8TToStnijFVKc= User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Bytes: 5223 On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 05:41:40 -0400, zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote: >On 8/20/2024 12:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 10:53:22 -0400, Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> >> wrote: > >I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've thought I >might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I have way too much >going on in my life right now to take on another hobby. I've been involved in debates that revolve around "What will it take to make Linux a mainstream operating system"? The Linux fanatics will propose major changes to the licensing, UI, standards, etc. When I suggest that all it will take is for Microsoft and Apple to make a few big mistakes, I'm usually greeted with silent contemplation. >We had an intern a short while ago who was tasked with writing code for >a somewhat simple of test rig we were using for development. It required >a rather large look-up table with several input parameters. He finished >it in about ten minutes, and it worked. I said "wow, that was quick". He >replied, "I used chat GPT". > >Be that as it may, this kid _was_ (_is_ actually) quite bright - >enthusiastic, inquisitive, and resourceful. I really couldn't fault him >for using a tool to create the large table (hundreds of elements) rather >than take the better part of a day to create the whole thing by hand. It >would be one thing if he didn't understand what the AI generated, but he >was insightful enough to point out a tweak to the algorithm in the code >of the product under development would give better performance after >looking at the output data from the test jig. The lead software engineer >on the project agreed with him. Very good. He'll do well. However, there might be a problem. Long ago, I did the same thing. I was working on a radio direction finder (AN/SRD-22). I contrived a way to greatly simplify the active antenna and associated driver circuitry. I threw together a prototype and demonstrated it to everyone who would listen. Just one problem. The project was well past the design stage and we were soliciting quotes of components. If we were going to use my scheme, it would bring development to a screeching halt and risk missing the delivery deadline. Management held several high stress meetings (to which I was NOT invited) and eventually agreed that my redesign was best. The result was everyone in engineering had to put in substantial amounts of overtime to meet the deadline. Everyone in engineering wanted to kill me, but obviously, that didn't happen. Anyway, beware of good ideas and bad timing. I ran into something similar when CAD was introduced as "design automation". Management somehow decided that buying CAD workstations would allow them to hire minimally educated people to take the place of higher paid designers. I know of one company that took the plunge. They jumped into the CAD swamp running. They laid off their high priced design staff, purchased some version 1.0 CAD equipment, and hired some enthusiastic the clueless computer operators. It took a few years, but eventually, it killed the company: <https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-10-15-fi-14057-story.html> The moral was that you can give a CAD system to a good designer and they become a better designer. However, giving a CAD system to a beginner doesn't automatically make them a product or PCB designer. The same thing applies to AI. The 16 year old in my previous rant is very smart. He taught himself several computer languages. I taught him a few things about PC hardware. He ran with that and now knows more about recent computer hardware issues and problems than I do. His use of AI for programming is an extension of what he already knows about programming, not a replacement. I expect him to do very well. Meanwhile, some of the older technical types, that hang around FLUG (Felton Linux Users Group) and the local radio clubs consider AI a threat to themselves and the world. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558