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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Dawkins the 'Cultural Christian' Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:06:59 +0100 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 48 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <tr8i1j5h69c8nsgf6v2c1sfci2c8gst0e2@4ax.com> References: <bjhf1j501cj6hfjbuv11jagif99957bp58@4ax.com> <86il0op1vt.fsf@example.com> <ss4g1jtu8l3loacjhig2bgnoqv3e0hredp@4ax.com> <uvacqu$25n02$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="93931"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 To: talk-origins@moderators.individual.net Cancel-Lock: sha1:b05lmayCBQ3phS0T2qUme7563bg= sha256:DUYHuMwTa3BrSiEWSJbh1xiVMSQgNT7DVOjSYuxAW1A= Return-Path: <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 641AF22976C; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 08:07:08 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C7A7229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 08:07:06 -0400 (EDT) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>) id 1rvFga-000000047Ps-2B5N; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:07:16 +0200 by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>) id 1rvFgK-00000002hDd-1nx1; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:07:00 +0200 by relay1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.97) for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>) id 1rvFgK-00000001ssi-1XkJ; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:07:00 +0200 for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with local-bsmtp (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>) id 1rvFgJ-000000031yM-0oHF; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:06:59 +0200 X-Path: individual.net!not-for-mail X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net hs1MU5k37WOI7/ZqifkYOA3ghGKWV5y9DDk0/5NQhwJAGBCpdu X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5 X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO Bytes: 4559 On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 22:20:46 -0600, Pro Plyd <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote: >Martin Harran wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 12:36:22 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: >> >>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>> Dawkins has blamed religion for most of the evil in the world and has >>>> described teaching religion to children as worse than sexual abuse. >>>> Beats me how he can see "cultural" benefit in something so bad. Mind >>>> you, he has come out with some rather weird views in recent years. >>> >>> I should think he does it by cherry picking which bits of the bible to >>> pay attention to, which is what Christians do too, but different bits. >> >> I've read quite a bit of Dawkins over the years, he's one of my >> favourite *science* writers but he's really dreadful when he starts >> harping on about religion. AFAIR, he never suggested that parts of >> religious beliefs were ok, he unequivocally condemned *all* religious >> beliefs. I can't remember where but I recall him saying that the Pope >> and the Archbishop of Canterbury weren't really much better than Osama >> bin Laden, they just presented a kinder face. > >I'm reminded of a couple of Gandhi quotes > > >"If Christians would really live according >to the teachings of Christ, as found in the >Bible, all of India would be Christian today." > > >"Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you >Christians - you are not like him." > >“I like your Christ, I do not like your >Christians. Your Christians are so >unlike your Christ.” Do you think Gandhi was applying that to *all* Christians or even Christians in general and, if so do you agree with him? > > >and for extra credit > >"What do I think of Western civilization? I >think it would be a very good idea."