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On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 21:54:31 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 6/10/2025 7:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 6/10/2025 2:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2025 12:41 PM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2025 12:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2025 11:35 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/2025 5:59 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jun 2025 05:09:37 -0400, zen cycle
>>>>>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/9/2025 11:56 AM, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One has to wonder why the Democrats are so opposed 
>>>>>>>>>> to efforts to
>>>>>>>>>> ensure that the only votes cast are from people who 
>>>>>>>>>> are qualified to
>>>>>>>>>> vote ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They aren't, dumbass. They're against the false trope 
>>>>>>>> that there was
>>>>>>>> widespread fraud. They're against the the lies that 
>>>>>>>> large numbers of
>>>>>>>> unqualified individuals cast votes. They're against 
>>>>>>>> the demonization and
>>>>>>>> assaults on the character of people who honestly 
>>>>>>>> worked their polling
>>>>>>>> places with integrity and certified election results 
>>>>>>>> to a result that
>>>>>>>> the magatards didn't like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elections in the the US are free and fair, with 
>>>>>>>> minimal cases of fraud.
>>>>>>>> The vast majority of ineligible votes cast are the 
>>>>>>>> result of
>>>>>>>> administrative errors and mistakes. The remainder are 
>>>>>>>> so small as to
>>>>>>>> constitute an insignificant blip in the statistical 
>>>>>>>> noise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you want to enact legislation based on lies, 
>>>>>>>> you're doing it wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re elections, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Years ago when I lived in the U.S. I believe that 
>>>>>>> there was a limit on
>>>>>>> the amount of money that an organization or individual 
>>>>>>> could give to
>>>>>>> support a political party running in an election
>>>>>>> Seemed logical... rich folks couldn't dominate the party.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I read that the president's ex buddy was the 
>>>>>>> largest contributor -
>>>>>>> millions of dollars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My memory is fealty? Or they changed the rules?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Effectively, they changed the rules. The Supreme Court 
>>>>>> decided money is speech. See https:// 
>>>>>> publicintegrity.org/ politics/the-citizens- united- 
>>>>>> decision-and-why-it- matters/? 
>>>>>> gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=10586056683
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Under which unions and the like are treated exactly the 
>>>>> same as other groups of associated individuals.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> um...no.
>>>> Citizens united allowed corporations to contribute 
>>>> essentially in the same manner that labor unions do. CU 
>>>> didn't affect individual contributions (afair). REcall 
>>>> the famous Romney line after the decision (paraphrased 
>>>> for political expedience) 'corporations are people too'. 
>>>> That isn't really what he said but it's more accurate 
>>>> than 'I can see russia from my house'.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In context Mr Romney was correct.  Fictitious persons 
>>> share many obligations, rights and liabilities with 
>>> humans; They pay taxes, can be sued civilly and 
>>> criminally, they can contract, own and dispose of 
>>> property, etc. There are differences; fictitious persons 
>>> cannot vote.
>> 
>> "Fictitious persons" AKA corporations cannot be physically 
>> punished nor executed. They cannot be drafted and sent to 
>> war. They cannot (practically) be deported, although many 
>> "self deport" to operate from locations that will allow them 
>> to evade taxes and make even more money. They have no 
>> loyalty to the nation they were "born" in, they often have 
>> no concern for their community nor for the _real_ persons 
>> who live there.
>> 
>> They exert excessive influence over American politics and 
>> over the world at large, to the detriment of countless 
>> _real_ persons.  It's ludicrous that they are given the 
>> "rights" that they enjoy.
>> 
>> But then, they've been able to buy very important judges.
>> 
>> Weirdly, they seem to now enjoy approval even from some 
>> "individualistic" MAGA maniacs.
>> 
>> 
>I have formed, sold, dissolved, bought, reorganized several 
>corporations. I suspect that you do not have a good grasp of 
>this area; of corporate law or regulation or governance.


the company I worked for in Indonesia was a combination of companies,
all owned by the same people but located in different countries so
taxes were not a simple matter.

I can assure you that every scheme to reduce taxes was first reviewed
by a group from management to review the feasibility of the scheme
regarding the operation of the company and then reviewed by both our
legal expert (registered to practice in both the U.S.  and Indonesia)
and tax experts for the countries operated in.
 
And we  were not unique as all the international oil companies we
worked for were doing exactly the same thing.
--
cheers,

John B.