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On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 06:04:08 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 07:53:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 7/8/2024 8:51 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 7/8/2024 5:55 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/8/2024 3:01 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/2024 9:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>  'Military use' or 'purposeful military design' are not 
>>>>>> at all clear or helpful terms. 
>>>>>
>>>>> They are descriptive terms easily understood by those 
>>>>> with no emotional attachment to their firearms. In past 
>>>>> discussions, specific design features have been well 
>>>>> described.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The best special forces sharpshooters use very expensive 
>>>>>> precision single shot bolt action rifles, not crappy 
>>>>>> 'spray and pray' automatics.
>>>>>
>>>>> As described over and over, AR pattern guns were 
>>>>> originally designed for military use. Most of their 
>>>>> design features have no legitimate civilian use, other 
>>>>> than giving a temporary testosterone boost to some guys 
>>>>> at a shooting range. One can say similar things about 
>>>>> many handguns.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for making my point again, by as usual purposefully 
>>>> conflating full auto AR or AK or whatever long guns with 
>>>> semi civilian models.
>>> 
>>> Light weight, compact size, light ammunition allowing 
>>> carrying lots of rounds, magazines that are big and 
>>> replaceable with huge ones, grips that aid portability when 
>>> running and aid recoil control during rapid fire, plus many 
>>> available "custom" attachments make AR and AK guns the 
>>> weapon of choice for killing unsuspecting crowds, just as 
>>> their military brethren do with enemy combatants. Civilian 
>>> full auto may be rare, but it's not required for that job of 
>>> mass murder, as many incidents have proven.
>>> 
>>> And who needs to empty a 30 round magazine in under a minute 
>>> anyway?
>>> 
>>
>>Apparently not you.
>>
>>But someone. They are a standard commodity, available 
>>anywhere with declining prices reflecting high volume 
>>production by many vendors.  I think I'm on the side of 
>>crowdsourced judgement here, not you as an expert.
>
>Re mass shootings I just looked up some details ( as opposed to
>Frankie who so often shoots from the hip and seems to miss most of the
>time.
>
>Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the
>United States, with a total of 166 different handguns being used in
>116 incidents between 1982 and December 2023.
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/
>
>. Of 190 incidents dating back to 1966, perpetrators in 80 percent of
>attacks used at least one handgun, while 28 percent used a
>semiautomatic assault weapon, like an AR-15 or its variants. Of those
>shooters who used an assault weapon, 73 percent also carried a
>handgun. 
>https://www.thetrace.org/2023/07/mass-shooting-type-of-gun-used-data/
>
>Notably, most individuals who engaged in mass shootings used handguns
>(77.2%), and 25.1% used assault rifles in the commission of their
>crimes. Of the known mass shooting cases (32.5% of cases could not be
>confirmed), 77% of those who engaged in mass shootings purchased at
>least some of their guns legally, while illegal purchases were made by
>13% of those committing mass shootings. In cases involving K-12 school
>shootings, over 80% of individuals who engaged in shootings stole guns
>from family members.
>https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings


Most handguns don't have those evil, hideous, scary looking barrel
shrouds, so they don't frighten Krygowski as much as the ARs.