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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 08:44:08 -0400
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On 20 May 2025 12:02:12 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>> On 19 May 2025 19:08:52 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>> On 19 May 2025 15:12:22 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:48:53 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
>>>>>> <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am Sun, 18 May 2025 13:13:35 -0000 (UTC) schrieb pH
>>>>>>> <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2025-05-17, Wolfgang Strobl <news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 16 May 2025 19:58:04 -0400 schrieb Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/2025 10:35 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://cyclingindustry.news/uk-manufacturer-brooks-to-open-doors-to- 
>>>>>>>>>>> its-birmingham-opens-doors-to-its-uk-factory
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/open-factory
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'd certainly attend if I were in the neighborhood, although most Brooks 
>>>>>>>>>> saddles don't work for me. I've always loved factory tours.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The only Brooks I like is the B-72 on my about-town 3 speed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The only Brooks that I own is a B66 that I bought in 1993. The longer I
>>>>>>>>> used the saddle, the less I liked it, for various reasons. The saddle is
>>>>>>>>> not weatherproof, it needs maintenance, has to be retightened, the
>>>>>>>>> screws are loosened by the vibrations and you can get caught on the hard
>>>>>>>>> edges at the back with a jacket.  So I looked for and found a
>>>>>>>>> replacement, an Italian plastic saddle, also lightly sprung,
>>>>>>>>> weatherproof and much more comfortable.  I then enjoyed using it it for
>>>>>>>>> many years.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm riding my Rivendell sourced B-17.  Love it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm quite happy with my 614 ERGOWAVE® active 2.1 from SQlab, on the road
>>>>>>> bike I built in 2023.   
>>>>>>> Same with the Bassano mentioned above. These are two pictures
>>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0186.JPG>
>>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/fahrrad/saettel/bassano_PICT0173.JPG>  I
>>>>>>> took after using the Bassano on this bike in summer and in winter
>>>>>>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/IMG-2461.jpeg>
>>>>>>> since 1996. It didn't need maintenance, ever.  Unfortunately, the saddle
>>>>>>> got stolen with that bike, a while ago.   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm often asked about why I rejected the traditional diamond frame
>>>>>> bicycles for the Catrike. I tell them that comfort has a lot to do
>>>>>> with it. Like many bicyclists, I ride for the pure pleasure of it and
>>>>>> why wouldn't I make it as comfortable as I can? Perched on a
>>>>>> traditional bicycle saddle was, for me, never comfortable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can?t say I have any discomfort though does vary, but my bikes have relaxed
>>>>> positions and I?ve found a saddle that works which I fit to all of my
>>>>> bikes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My rides are generally four or five hours long and I often never get
>>>>>> up off the Catrike the entire ride. All I need for a rest stop is a
>>>>>> spot where there's shade. Oh, there's also no need for padded pants. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not moving and load bearing isn?t particularly helpful health wise, Roadies
>>>>> who move a bit more than you would can be prone to low bone density as with
>>>>> anything it use it or loose it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> C'est bon
>>>>>> Soloman
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Merriman
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Unless it's unusually wide, a saddle on a diamond frame requires that
>>>> you're putting your weight on a small pieces of bone called ischial
>>>> tuberosities. On the Catrike, that bone is still in play, but my
>>>> weight is spread out over muscle tissue, and none of it is supported
>>>> on my wrists. I ride with the same weight distribution as when I'm on
>>>> my Lazyboy recliner.
>>> 
>>> People wouldn?t routinely ride bikes if it really was that uncomfortable,
>>> they might need to swap saddles until they found the one or something.
>>> 
>>> And some folks don?t help themselves by attempting to hold aggressive pro
>>> like positions when they are a middle aged club rider etc!
>>> 
>>> Yes some people can be uncomfortable, women in particular but for most it?s
>>> a non issue.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> C'est bon
>>>> Soloman
>>>> 
>>> Roger Merriman
>>> 
>> 
>> For me, it was an issue, yet I rode uncomfortable diamond frame bikes
>> for many years back in Wisconsin. A sore butt and sore wrists were
>> pretty common for me back then. I was also into weight lifting and
>> running and deep into no pain = no gain thinking.
>> 
>That is rather into a perhaps not a you thing but getting there ie bikes
>don’t have to be painful!
>
>I have had saddles that were less comfortable, not painful but definitely
>not perfect. Luckily I’m far from a princess and pea so various saddles
>that work for me.
>
>Only sore wrists/hands or rather arm pump is from 1980/90’s  MTB’s on long
>descents, where you could get for arm pump, some of my fellow Gravellers
>get arm pump but I’m less likely to a) brake b) to death grip as off road
>kinda need to be more Yoda and let the bike find the line.
>
>> --
>> C'est bon
>> Soloman
>> 
>Roger Merriman
>

At any rate, the discomfort I felt on diamond frame bikes is one
reason I switched to a recumbent. I test drove a two wheel recumbent
and didn't like it. I bought and rode for a year, a delta trike. (two
wheels in the back) It was comfortable enough for me to do a couple of
100 miles rides, but when I first saw a Catrike, I knew it was the
right one. sixteen years later, I'm still riding it, although almost
all of it, including the frame, has been replaced.

Nowdays, with balance problems, I wouldn't go back to a diamond frame
even if I found a comfortable saddle. 

--
C'est bon
Soloman