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Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect.
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 07:38:50 -0500
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         From your cited article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "�Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape by a jury,� Stephonopoulos said on ABC�s This Week at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �It�s been affirmed by a judge.�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll�s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure to �prove that she was �raped� within the meaning of the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �raped� her as many people commonly understand the word �rape.��
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,� US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the bytes it would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that* fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No one cares.  He was charge and found not guilty.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not technical.  It's fact.  Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
>>>>>>>> in technicalities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go ahead and explain it for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> We think you don't really want an explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's your claim.  If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
>>>> you're lying.
>>>
>>> We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
>>>
>> 
>> Non-response is noted.
>> Please try again.
>
>Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
>
>NY law says that only penile insertion is rape.  E.g., across the river, 
>NJ disagrees.  And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so 
>that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner 
>Louima with a broom handle...
>

And Trump was found not guilty of rape.  Do you think it's fine for a
journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?