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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: Daytime running light popularity
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 04:34:55 -0400
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On 30 Oct 2024 23:40:09 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/29/2024 12:40 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>>> Not if there are paths etc that connect up, some of the older estates etc
>>> have this, plus newer Low Traffic Areas ie making it awkward to use by car
>>> as cut through but filters allow pedestrians/cycle etc to pass through.
>>> 
>>> But again depends on who and what you design for.
>> 
>> From personal experience I can tell you that residents often object to 
>> bicycle infrastructure, including multi-use paths, protected bicycle 
>> lanes, pedestrian/bicycle bridges, and passageways between 
>> neighborhoods, but once they are in place they like them and none of the 
>> problems that they were worried about happen.
>> 
>> There was one bridge in my area 
>> <https://maps.app.goo.gl/wZxHdbrY8heYSDir9> that was closed because it 
>> was unsafe. It provides a safe route to local schools. The residents on 
>> one side of the bridge were very much against it being rebuilt, for a 
>> variety of reasons that had no basis in fact. Now it's open, well-used 
>> by both students and others wanting to access the park it goes into.
>> 
>> A proposed multi-use path along a creek had residents whose houses 
>> backed up to the creek furious since they had believed that the access 
>> road, that became the path, would never be open to the public (even 
>> though it had been open in the past but without a nice trail). Once the 
>> trail was completed it was fine and no one complains anymore 
>> <https://maps.app.goo.gl/5pCeHZSPM1b9uts7A>. Some of the objections to 
>> the trail were quite amusing. One woman said that there would be 
>> teenagers engaging in "hanky-panky" on the trail. Another woman said 
>> that vultures would pick up babies and fly away with them. Some 
>> residents said that criminals would jump the fences and break into their 
>> homes, though the reality is that criminals prefer to drive to their 
>> targets to burglarize them.
>> 
>
>There is consistent curve, ie initial alarm and well change which people
>dislike, but generally people like this n so it curves back to we like
>this!
>
>Hence political will is needed! And steady heads ie don’t just listen to
>the minority with loud voices!
>
>Roger Merriman

Arguing against multi-use paths is useless. People want them and
they're going to be built. That said, I absolutely oppose mandatory
use of them, although I see no sense in bicycling on streets and roads
when there is an acceptable non-vehicle path available. 

Yes, I understand that acceptable is subjective evaluation, which is
one reason why I oppose mandatory use of MUPs.

--
C'est bon
Soloman