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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Refutation of the Peter Linz Halting Problem proof 2024-03-05 --partial agreement-- Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 11:44:38 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 24 Message-ID: <uscue7$15f5l$5@dont-email.me> References: <us8shn$7g2d$1@dont-email.me> <us92f0$uvql$4@i2pn2.org> <us931e$8gmr$1@dont-email.me> <usa4rk$10ek4$3@i2pn2.org> <usa5to$gp0j$1@dont-email.me> <usa8lp$10ek5$5@i2pn2.org> <usa9o9$ho7b$1@dont-email.me> <usag21$118jg$1@i2pn2.org> <usanbu$klu7$1@dont-email.me> <usas0v$11q96$2@i2pn2.org> <usavq1$m7mn$1@dont-email.me> <usb01q$m897$1@dont-email.me> <c-GcnbJk3KPt0nT4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <87cys6i7da.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <uscnu1$14gm6$1@dont-email.me> <uscqvc$1564n$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:44:39 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="991a76fa9aa76d17f8f6286f1a0a882d"; logging-data="1227957"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18ehRxSMVjS/9VypVr/OT5v" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hxtqa7bLNZq5CkyVONOoqk4qRlQ= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <uscqvc$1564n$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2406 On 3/7/2024 10:45 AM, immibis wrote: > On 7/03/24 16:53, olcott wrote: >> H(D,D) could never provide a return value consistent with the direct >> execution of D(D) > > In other words: H doesn't solve the halting problem. According the assumption where H is required to report on something besides the behavior that it actually sees, Olcott H(D,D) is not a correct halt decider and Linz H is a correct halt decider. I have never admitted that I am wrong about H(D,D). Instead of that I switched my frame-of-reference to the conventional view where H(D,D) is required to report on different behavior than it actually sees. From this frame of reference the fact that Ĥ.H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ is wrong makes H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ correct. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer