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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: power shortages
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:46:57 +0100
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On 3/8/24 18:59, Cursitor Doom wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 16:01:56 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:09:39 -0800) it happened John Larkin
>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <ebamui94of6duifghmb6jnen11060l4dlv@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 13:15:34 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 8 Mar 2024 10:22:29 +0100) it happened Jeroen Belleman
>>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <usela5$1jtre$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/8/24 07:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:13:56 -0800) it happened John Larkin
>>>>>> <jl@997PotHill.com> wrote in <h8mjui5kf50de3tkplpf1e12k12r8dgl58@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amid-explosive-demand-america-is-running-out-of-power/ar-BB1jtM69
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Increasing demand and declining reliable supply could put people in
>>>>>>> the dark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday I was reading Netherlands gov has decided to build 4 new nuclear power plants.
>>>>>> They still have to find locations for 3, what if next doors?? ??
>>>>>
>>>>> These are planned to be the --now old-fashioned-- Westinghouse
>>>>> design? Big installations that need ten years to build?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it wouldn't be better to start an industry of
>>>>> small modular reactors. Tens of megawatts rather than hundreds,
>>>>> Something that could fit on a barge, or a train, transported
>>>>> where it's needed, and up and running in months rather than
>>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Russia has a ship with a nuclear power plant that powers some city somewhere,
>>>> no risk of flooding then :-)
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_floating_nuclear_power_station
>>>> OTOH ever more power is needed, so a big nuclear power plant makes sense.
>>>
>>> Why not lots of smaller ones? They could be phased in incrementally,
>>> quickly, where and when needed.
>>>
>>> The politics are good. Do you want electricity? Find us a few acres
>>> for an SMR.
>>
>> The more the harder security is.
>> Some idiots a few days ago did set fire to a HV mast in Germany to prevent Tesla from expanding there.
>> It also cut power to some other large company and caused shortages.
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/business/tesla-germany-factory-fire.html
>>
>> It would be cool if they got small fusion reactors working.
>> One for in each car?
> 
> That might appease the Greenies, but the Watermellons would still try
> to sabotage them.
> In the UK at least, nuclear power plants are guarded by armed police.
> They're keen to ensure no fuel is stolen and subsequently enriched.
> The same would have to be done for small reactors anyway, so that
> should give the 'mellons something to think about.

It would be nice if we could make nuclear energy on the scale
required for a single household economically viable. Everyone
has his own little self-contained nuclear device in a hole in
the cellar, producing heat and electricity enough to provide
for the needs of the home and the means of transport over 30
years or so, each unit providing something like 10 to 50 kilowatts,
heat and electricity combined. When it's worn, it gets replaced by
a new one. I'm just dreaming. It's not likely to ever happen.
Even if it'd be technically possible, the economy wouldn't work.

Jeroen Belleman