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From: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Israeli Faces From Earlier Today :-)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 01:24:48 -0600
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On 3/8/2024 7:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 16:25:22 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
>> But by themselves, they inflict good damage if they make it to their
>> targets. So either way, they're too bad for the enemy. Damned if you hit
>> them in the sky, and damned if you don't  The expense inflicted can be
>> up to orders of magnitude higher than the cost of each.
> 
> iirc, the Ukes scored some own goals shooting down missiles. I don't have
> to subscribe to sci.physics to know that what goes up is generally going
> to come down someplace, hopefully not on your condo.
> 
> This escapes certain segments of the US diversity that think firing .44
> Magnums into the air to celebrate New Year's Eve is a good thing.
> 
> 


The weapons that kill off those Shahed 136 and 131's before they reach 
their targets are much more expensive than the drones themselves. The 
damage that the debris can make on the ground aren't that important 
unless when they contain bioweapons or something of that nature.

Americans in their bases in Iraq and Syria were trying not to use their 
Patriots to hit those little drones with. Instead, they were using some 
sort of device that after launch would create a hundred or two 
explosions in the general area of the incoming drone. This, almost 
always, worked, and was much, much cheaper than using anything 
sophisticated as Patriots. But I'm sure, even the cost of such device 
was at least ten times higher than each of those little drones. So 
either way, those drones caused some form of damage. So they work like a 
win-win weapon.

Plus, the few of the drones that happened to survive that device, 
created serious damage on the warehouses and caused fires, etc, even 
killed some people in the bases sometimes, without such events getting 
reported to the media. One of the news outlets (Lebanese) said recently 
that Americans reported only a total of 3 losses of life, while 
somewhere else disclosed the actual number of dead were 186 or 
something. So even the very few times that the drones made it to the 
base grounds, they caused significant loss of personnel as well, if the 
Lebanese source was reliable.

Anyway, this point, the "damned if you kill them in the sky, damned if 
you miss", is just one of several important features of those Shahed 
little drones. One other is, they can fly in the area of interest for 
long periods of time (24 hours), hiding high in the sky but ready for 
immediate use! The moment a reconnaissance drone identifies a target on 
the ground in the area, one or several of these little drones will 
attack right away. Some give the most importance to only this feature of 
them and name that type of drones after it ("loitering munition"). But 
other features of them are each quite important also. On some, a simpler 
form of reconnaissance device can be mounted to make them function as a 
reconnaissance drone as well (the Chinese one in that exhibition has it 
as a permanent part of the drone), in the absence of dedicated and 
better reconnaissance drones. Their warheads are also versatile, with 
several different kinds for different targets, all up there in the area 
of action, sometimes tens and tens of them, and selected for use for 
each specific target.

So overall, they're extremely cost-effective. They weren't made to rip 
their own people off with them. They were made for defending those 
people. I think they got their first use by Houthis (the Aramco refinery 
hit) when Saudis paid Israelis for a few raids in a row, a day or two 
apart, inside Iraq, hitting Shiite sites. It did its job well! Such paid 
raids didn't happen again. Even when USA recently did the same raids, 
they kind of let the targets know a few days in advance to cut the 
damages down. Why? Because Americans damn well remember the Aramco hit. 
The Americans assets in that region are also their liability. So do not 
underestimate the role that just these two little drones have in 
defending those people. Iran sells a lot of them to many countries in 
the world, in all continents, including the Americas. In fact the demand 
is so high that the waiting time to get their orders is long. There is a 
reason for Chinese getting interested in them. Soon Iran alone will not 
be able to meet the demand adequately. And Russia is building their own 
Gerans for their own use, at this point. Ukraine war isn't even nearly 
close to end. So China has stepped in to fill the gap. For what Iran 
sells, the money goes to the militia, not the military. It is their 
product.







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