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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: immibis <news@immibis.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: ZFC solution to incorrect questions: reject them Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 04:04:32 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <usr540$ldph$4@dont-email.me> References: <usq5uq$e4sh$1@dont-email.me> <usq715$ed9g$3@dont-email.me> <usq8rh$etp9$1@dont-email.me> <usqb4a$1l201$32@i2pn2.org> <usqcts$froc$1@dont-email.me> <usqh4h$1lvbo$3@i2pn2.org> <usqhoj$gtih$2@dont-email.me> <usql2f$1m5uu$2@i2pn2.org> <usqmdi$hu9o$1@dont-email.me> <usqn3v$i33s$1@dont-email.me> <usqo6h$hubd$3@dont-email.me> <usqp0u$ie7v$1@dont-email.me> <usqq3p$iit2$1@dont-email.me> <usqqto$ipr7$1@dont-email.me> <usqrcq$iit2$3@dont-email.me> <usqu5h$jamh$1@dont-email.me> <usr0in$jp1l$2@dont-email.me> <usr2bv$k5kt$1@dont-email.me> <usr3ph$kdfp$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:04:32 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d3f75eaadad991e96f7897dd49a5bb0b"; logging-data="702257"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196WdppF5asXNXYxaoKDCFy" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SLjUZ5Ctd+im73a/CIEWyDMMDcw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <usr3ph$kdfp$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2927 On 13/03/24 03:41, olcott wrote: > On 3/12/2024 9:17 PM, immibis wrote: >> On 13/03/24 02:47, olcott wrote: >>> On 3/12/2024 8:05 PM, immibis wrote: >>>> On 13/03/24 01:18, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/12/2024 7:10 PM, immibis wrote: >>>>>> So which part of ⟨Q, Γ, b, Σ, δ, q0, F⟩ is different? >>>>> Exactly one element of Q differs by writing a 1 instead of a 0. >>>> >>>> That's part of δ but this mistake doesn't matter. >>>> >>>> It wasn't clear whether you were talking about a Turing machine that >>>> was somehow identical but gave a different return value, or one that >>>> was not identical. Now you have explained it is not identical. >>>> >>> They are identical except for their return value that is specified >>> in a single state that is different. >>> >>> *This means that they implement the exact same algorithm* >> >> OK. Well, one of them gets the right answer and one of them gets the >> wrong answer. What is the confusion? > > The Linz Ĥ.H machine gets the wrong answer on its own > machine description no matter how its Linz H is defined. > > This means that it gets the wrong answer on YES and the > wrong answer on NO. > This means that two different machines get two different wrong answers on two different inputs. The fact that 1+1=4 is wrong and 2+2=2 is wrong does not mean that 2+2=4 is wrong or 1+1=2 is wrong.