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From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Codes sent by text message
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 20:00:27 -0000 (UTC)
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Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-13 09:11, Chris wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> On 10.03.24 10:44, Bob Henson wrote:
>>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>> At one point I played with crypto a bit. I had to upload a picture
>>>>> ID (drivers license), as well as giving them my email address and
>>>>> access to my bank account. As I recall I think they sent a voice
>>>>> message code to my landline, which is a lot more security in terms of
>>>>> proof of ID than a cellphone. The lamdline is registered to -- and
>>>>> wired to -- a physical address.
>>>> 
>>>> They will struggle in the UK soon, then. All landlines disappear by the end
>>>> of 2025  - there will only be VoIP.
>>> 
>>> Hardly ever read so much nonsense. We know Newyana does not have a cell
>>> phone but he or she wants to have a big mouth in technical groups
>>> discussing mobile technology.
>>> 
>>> For you: IP-telephone lines are landlines. Landlines are not what you
>>> think they are. The backend is even in the UK ip-based for years.
>> 
>> Do you have evidence for that? It's true that UK telephony has been digital
>> for a long time within the BT network, but that doesn't mean it's
>> internet/ip-based.
> 
> I don't know about UK, but here in Spain all clients on fibre have a 
> VoIP system, hidden. At the home, there is a device called ONT (Optical 
> network terminal), which can be integrated on the router, that converts 
> the phone over IP signals to an RJ-11 where we connect our traditional 
> phone terminals.
> 
> In fact, companies hide the VoIP credentials so that connecting a VoIP 
> phone instead is not trivial.
> 
> The stated goal is to remove all copper exchanges, migrating everybody 
> to fibre (or some form of radio). The buildings can then be sold, they 
> are in the city centres and are worth a packet.
> 
> My understanding is that the UK is doing more or less the same, and many 
> countries are on the same road. Which means that a lot of the current 
> phone network is no longer circuit switched.

I'm aware of that, but that's the recent (domestic) move away from copper
lines and VOIP. 

Jörg's comment was about the backhaul being ip-based for a much longer
period.