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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Interesting inductor Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:03:07 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <ususib$1k56p$1@dont-email.me> References: <f6aba241-3e20-db1f-36ea-8641ca6fac49@electrooptical.net> <rf92vitlvsi39u3blfak7papobugd8p68g@4ax.com> <ust9hu$167uc$1@dont-email.me> <2ja4vi5330qhkdbfa0m5r6i3foarkoqkne@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2024 13:03:07 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3753281a3c9978f4d8ec1b885a612531"; logging-data="1709273"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19IaBsiSX0KPz5m8kHYosc0" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:R4tEnGt1c63VFd6QMXj3+t6IfI0= sha1:UdtSGeX7IIzd00fsaXkxuTMQ7Kc= Bytes: 2680 john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote: > On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:32:27 +0000, Clive Arthur > <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 13/03/2024 04:18, John Larkin wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>> I'm hassling with inductors now too, but at the other end of the speed >>> spectrum. >>> >>> We want a programmable inductor, from maybe 1 mH to 500 mH or so, >>> maybe 100 mA. Sounds like an inductive DAC, a series string of >>> inductors with shorting relays. If the step inductance ratio were, >>> say, 1.8:1 we could have some hidden bits, more than the customer >>> sees, so we could get pretty close to his requested value. >>> >>> We could test all 2^n steps, make a list, and select the closest to >>> his request. >>> >>> We're simulating loads to an engine control computer, torque motors >>> and solenoids and steppers. >>> >> >> Gyrator? > > We just yesterday had a brainstorm session about that. How can one > make a programmable electronic fake inductor? > > A real inductor stores energy, and can do things like high voltage > flyback. So a fake inductor should store energy, or pretend to. It > could be done with a current shunt, a fast ADC, some math in an FPGA, > a fast DAC, and a big power amplifier with big power supplies. Too > much work. > > I wonder if you could reduce the power supply needs a bit by switchmoding the incoming current into big storage capacitors so the gyrator does some energy storage and could make flybacks up to some limit? -- piglet