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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: immibis <news@immibis.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Proof that H(D,D) meets its abort criteria Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 04:12:57 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: <ut32nq$2n598$1@dont-email.me> References: <ut1sgk$2buev$2@dont-email.me> <ut20uf$1vtvi$1@i2pn2.org> <ut21t3$2d19j$1@dont-email.me> <ut23pj$1vtvj$4@i2pn2.org> <ut24d0$2djbv$2@dont-email.me> <ut25q9$1vtvi$8@i2pn2.org> <ut26fa$2e2nj$1@dont-email.me> <ut27ed$1vtvj$15@i2pn2.org> <ut28ap$2e06s$11@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 03:12:58 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5e0b6c3f860d26df69fe64d1961cd1df"; logging-data="2856232"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18wb+dtflg/CyuYVBWRJ63h" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:V5lWRv0H/sLDJk65x/yQrEouWlo= In-Reply-To: <ut28ap$2e06s$11@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2101 On 15/03/24 20:42, olcott wrote: > We cannot reference the behavior of what D(D) does after H(D,D) > has already aborted the simulation of its input at the point > in time before H(D,D) aborts its input as any criterion measure > for this H(D,D). *MIT Professor Michael Sipser agreed this verbatim paragraph is correct* (He has neither reviewed nor agreed to anything else in this paper) (a) If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running unless aborted then (b) H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. **"would never stop running unless aborted* references the behavior of what D(D) does after H(D,D) has already aborted the simulation of its input**