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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: immibis <news@immibis.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Proof that H(D,D) meets its abort criteria --Categorically Exhaustive Reasoning-- Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 17:35:16 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <ut4ho4$2vq35$4@dont-email.me> References: <ut1sgk$2buev$2@dont-email.me> <ut20uf$1vtvi$1@i2pn2.org> <ut21t3$2d19j$1@dont-email.me> <ut24j0$2dnbk$2@dont-email.me> <ut24kj$2djbv$5@dont-email.me> <ut24vk$2dnvv$1@dont-email.me> <kQGdnWqR-4ZXRmn4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <ut2qb5$2i02l$1@dont-email.me> <Zu6JN.446810$Ama9.86698@fx12.iad> <ut2vi0$2isof$1@dont-email.me> <ut318a$218kh$1@i2pn2.org> <ut3212$2n0uu$1@dont-email.me> <ut32k8$218kh$2@i2pn2.org> <ut34d5$2n0uu$5@dont-email.me> <ut38i5$218kg$3@i2pn2.org> <ut3911$2nm61$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:35:16 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f59639d3479d6ab891cdfe655fcf9f91"; logging-data="3139685"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+IYbHdO9+tp/e7XBsb09dY" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:f2CBXD6Xoyf+VqZlWxh5o9AFfwM= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <ut3911$2nm61$4@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2714 On 16/03/24 06:00, olcott wrote: > On 3/15/2024 11:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 3/15/24 8:41 PM, olcott wrote: >>> The abort criteria derives the exact same result as the >>> conventional halting criteria yet does not make the mistake >>> of expecting H to report on behavior that it does not see. >>> In these cases it derives a different result. >>> >> >> So, you are saying Halting == Not Halting, since the conventional >> Halting Criteria says that D(D) Halts, since H(D,D) says 0, and D is >> designed to halt if H(D,D) says 0. >> >> And your abort criteria says it is non-halting. >> >> So, BOOM, you logic system just exploded in contradiciton, or you >> admit you are a liar. > > I admit that the original criteria is incorrect when the basis > is that H(D,D) always reports on the behavior that it actually sees. > > On the different basis of dividing program/input pairs into those > that halt and those that do not, we need a third return value of ERROR. ERROR is not the exact same result as the conventional halting criteria. > >> >>>> So, you are still the liar. >>>> >>> >> >