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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bart <bc@freeuk.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.arch Subject: Re: Radians Or Degrees? Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:00:00 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <ut5bpu$354bh$1@dont-email.me> References: <ur5trn$3d64t$1@dont-email.me> <ur5v05$3ccut$1@dont-email.me> <20240222015920.00000260@yahoo.com> <ur69j9$3ftgj$3@dont-email.me> <ur86eg$1aip$1@dont-email.me> <ur88e4$1rr1$5@dont-email.me> <ur8a2p$2446$1@dont-email.me> <ur8ctk$2vbd$2@dont-email.me> <20240222233838.0000572f@yahoo.com> <3b2e86cdb0ee8785b4405ab10871c5ca@www.novabbs.org> <ur8nud$4n1r$1@dont-email.me> <936a852388e7e4414cb7e529da7095ea@www.novabbs.org> <ur9qtp$fnm9$1@dont-email.me> <20240314112655.000011f8@yahoo.com> <ut17ji$27n6b$1@dont-email.me> <ut2csb$2fe4u$1@dont-email.me> <87wmq32o26.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <8de6385435bbdb0695a7ff213653f345@www.novabbs.org> <20240316190815.000005a2@yahoo.com> <dbfb682bf2abb9b84ce04c257a85c6d1@www.novabbs.org> <87o7bd3guo.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2024 23:59:58 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="86cdd72051d773a92e0c8f332750da77"; logging-data="3314033"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19E8IuUCq6wZbLiz/fnZcRh" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:/0/IduIH/0hPw8V6xBInZndZFhQ= In-Reply-To: <87o7bd3guo.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3417 On 16/03/2024 23:19, Keith Thompson wrote: > mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) writes: >> Say you are a programmer and you receive a value like 2^53 from an >> Input read and you wan the most accurate possible SIN( of that ). > > I can't think of a scenario where that would be useful (other than just > doing it for the sake of doing it). > > If 2^53 represents a physical quantity, how likely is the actual value > to be known within ±π (+/i pi for those who prefer ASCII)? > > If you can get better precision without too much extra cost, that's > great. I don't know enough to have an opinion about what the best > tradeoff is, but I presume it's going to be different depending on the > application. > > Here's a C program that shows how precise sin(2^53) can be for types > float, double, and long double (I used gcc and glibc). The nextafter > functions are used to compute the nearest representable number. For > long double, the value of sin() changes by about 1 part in 1600, which > seems decent, but it's not nearly as precise as for values around 1.0. > For float and double, the imprecision of the argument is enough to make > the result practically meaningless. > > ... > Output: > > float (32 bits, 24 mantissa bits) > 9007199254740992.00000000 -0.84892595 > 9007200328482816.00000000 -0.34159181 > > double (64 bits, 53 mantissa bits) > 9007199254740992.00000000 -0.84892596 > 9007199254740994.00000000 -0.12729655 > > long double (128 bits, 64 mantissa bits) > 9007199254740992.00000000 -0.84892596 > 9007199254740992.00097656 -0.84944168 Is this output supposed to be different between gcc -O0 and gcc -O3?