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From: zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: "see? I told you it wasn't my fault"
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 06:42:20 -0400
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On 3/19/2024 2:37 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 05:46:49 -0400, zen cycle
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Zipp finally released an analysis of the cause of the crash suffered by
>> Thomas De Gendt at the UAE tour last month. Yeah, hitting a big-assed
>> rock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ICecXdOcTY) will do that.
>>
>> https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zipp-releases-photos-debunking-hookless-rim-failure-after-de-gendt-crash/
>>
>> Maybe they should have followed tommy's advice and bought the cheap
>> chinese knock-offs.
> 
> Now that the real cause has been identified, is there anyone at the
> UCI issuing press releases advocating the ban of carbon fiber rims,
> forks and frames?  After all, all innovation can be dangerous and
> should be banned before the inevitable carnage arrives.

Not as of this morning - 
https://www.uci.org/press-releases/9WTkI4p7rPgHZhBZvWpZj

Adam Hansen (president of the riders union) is still railing against the 
technology, though it doesn't seem like this incident is going to give 
him much ammunition.

> 
> "Danger From Carbon Fiber Bikes"  (July 22, 2016).
> <https://www.twospoke.com/threads/danger-from-carbon-fiber-bikes.17594/>
> "On the way back to Castro Valley, my friend Tom Kunich (who was also
> riding a full carbon fiber Colnago C-40) crashed on the downhill."
> "WARNING! IF YOU OWN A CARBON FIBER BICYCLE THAT IS MORE THAN TWO
> YEARS OLD - GET RID OF IT NOW!!! IT CAN CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY OR
> DEATH!"



> 
> These remind me of the Feb 22, 2024 AT&T cellular outage, which was
> initially blamed on a "solar flare":
> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/02/26/att-cellphone-outage-solar-flares-fact-check/72715063007/>
> 
> Yes, the first step to solving a problem really is to assign the
> blame.  I worked for a company which practiced that no problem can be
> solved or even investigated without first blaming someone.

At my company, the digression follows the same predictable path

- customer reports a problem
- marketing/sales blames engineering
- engineering shows either a manufacturing defect or incorrect customer 
application
- marketing orders engineering to fix it anyway

> 
> Drivel:  I used to think that the cheap Chinese knock-offs were junk
> because the factory or designers didn't have the time or money to do a
> proper job.  That was probably true until about 2015, when I started
> seeing something rather different.  Before 2015, such products really
> were junk when first release, but tended to improve over the life of
> the product.  Now, I'm seeing the initial shipments being quite well
> designed and built, but later shipments tend to progress toward junk
> or worse.  In other words, the Chinese contract manufacturers do have
> the talent, time and money to do it right the first time.  However,
> once the contracts are signed and the initial reviews are posted to
> multiple web sites, it's now time to cut quality, reduce costs, and
> sell junk.  It's a strange world we live in.

It isn't strange, it's business. We experience much the same with cast 
metal and injection molded ABS/PC parts we get from china. First Article 
Inspection parts are always well within tolerance and beautifully 
finished. It's everything after that you have to watch out for - even 
with CoCs accompanying each shipment.