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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: THE $10 MILLION PRIZE FOR PROOF EVOLUTION 2.0 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:34:01 -0400 Organization: Eek Lines: 59 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <utfko9$1n7oo$4@dont-email.me> References: <uxjKN.490054$Ama9.590@fx12.iad> <861q866ths.fsf@example.com> <41e3e70a-079b-480a-a139-caa4b81e2e5e@gmail.com> <utdpc1$1ac9p$2@dont-email.me> <l5vq2lFd960U1@mid.individual.net> Reply-To: jtem01@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="60588"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:XzLUC57wyQERoS6oXriqtpWjzaA= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id BC8BF22976C; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B83229758 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) id 3B4087D122; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 21:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E587D009 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 21:34:05 +0000 (UTC) id 5C9B3DC01CC; Wed, 20 Mar 2024 22:34:02 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19/AEWPLyiAq+juEOESJoCxV7yk50OOlvg= In-Reply-To: <l5vq2lFd960U1@mid.individual.net> Bytes: 3723 G wrote: > Of course it was impossible to win Randi's prize, you had to demonstrate > psychic or paranormal powers, and no such thing exists. Ah! You're a scientific illiterate! Why didn't you just say so! In order to "Win" the prize, in theory, you had to pass a test. Claimants who say that they could achieve some paranormal feat, and Randi would test something else. Every time. Randi would pretend that both sides "Agreed" to the conditions of the test, but that was never true. It was never an "Agreement," it was an ultimatum: "You perform this test or walk away." And, again, the test NEVER mapped to the claimed paranormal abilities. But even if you complied with the conditions imposed upon you, they never had to and never would pay you the money. The law simply was never going to force them to. In one example where I know for a fact that someone passed a test, Randi gave out some "Code" and asked people to tell him what it meant. It turned out to be the Library of Congress number for a book of his, I believe, and the people who identified it never collected a dime. If you were scientifically literate, you might (and I did say "Might") be able to deconstruct a claim, come up with an accurate test. Randi certainly could, but never once did. Partly because he himself was a performer, he did magic tricks. He knew how, what was involved. So he wanted to avoid a situation where someone who designed and practiced a trick got to perform it. He wanted to take people out of their comfort zone. But he never did that in a scientifically valid way. Again: Deconstruct the problem. What are you denying? What are you doubting? Be as specific as you can. How do you test THAT specific point? Randi never did that. -- http://jtem.tumblr.com