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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Allez
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:29:59 -0500
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On 3/25/2024 10:54 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
> 
> Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
> 
> Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others are 
> caught but delay conviction and punishment interminably, by 
> tactics like countless court delays and appeals. (That 
> usually applies only to the wealthy, of course.)
> 
> But many law breakers are caught, and even those who are not 
> caught usually have their behavior affected, in that they 
> have to take steps to avoid being caught. That counts as at 
> least some beneficial effect.
> 
> We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or 
> Port-Au-Prince.
> 
>> ... as in the weekend news in Seattle:
>>
>> https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
> 
> I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says 
> "You're not allowed to do that" yet freely provides 
> equipment designed to do just that, there are bound to be 
> law breakers.
> 
> So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not take 
> away or restrict the equipment?
> 
> Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the sale 
> of cars capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds can be 
> regulated. In fact, current new cars usually "know" the 
> speed limit wherever they are, and in principle could be 
> limited to the legal speed at any location.
> 
> If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in cities 
> and suburbs, why design freeway-like "stroads" that 
> encourage high speeds, via wide lanes, open vistas, large 
> radius curves, etc?
> 
> Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of which 
> there are many? They range from narrower lane width, 
> landscaping, traffic lights synchronized for the benefit of 
> lower speeds, sharp-cornered intersections, horizontal 
> diversions like chicanes, and even vertical diversions like 
> speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but uncomfortable at 30 
> mph.
> 
> If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier, he'd 
> have gone airborne and the fun would have been over. It's 
> much more effective than relying on a "good guy with a squad 
> car."
> 

So you're recommending collective punishment of the populace 
for crimes not yet committed? Really?
-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971