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From: Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>
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Subject: Re: What Did You Watch? 2024-03-23 (Saturday)
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On 3/25/2024 8:50 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
> 
>> 3 Body Problem (Netflix) I binged through the rest of the series about a
>> pending alien invasion of Earth.  SPOILERS!
> 
> I powered through the entire Netflix series. I looked at the original
> Chinese series on the Amazon prime, but there’s no English audio and it’s
> way too much to read. I did read Ian‘s Wikipedia articles about all three
> series (one unreleased), and the plots and history of the three books, the
> first of which forms the basis for the various filmed projects.
> 
> Also, it was recommended to me by our old friend Ob Veeus who is enamored
> of the “stunning redhead“ who appears in a later episode. Sometimes I think
> Ob Veeus and Ian are the same person.  Apologies to you both.
> 
> 
>>
>> Spoiler Space
>> P
>> O
>> I
>> L
>> E
>> R
>>
>> S
>> P
>> A
>> C
>> E
>>
>> "Judgment Day"  Episode 5 - In the present day Jonathan Pryce is a
>> billionaire on Earth who has known about the alien invasion since the
>> 70s and has been working to make to make it happen.  He is in direct
>> communication with them and reads them stories and answers their
>> questions.  Then one day during a story he explains to the aliens that
>> the stories are just made up, not real.  The aliens are confused at
>> first because they don't have that concept in their culture.  Once Pryce
>> explains the concept of fiction/deception to the aliens they say, "A
>> liar is someone who cannot be trusted.  We cannot coexist with liars.
>> We are afraid of you." Then they cut off communication. They also stop
>> protecting their human allies.
> 
> Of course, they were already on their way to conquer us, so I’m not really
> sure this makes a big difference.
> 
> 

I think those humans were planning on cashing in on being the first to 
welcome their new overlords.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lcUHQYhPTE


> 
>> Meanwhile Benedict Wong and his people are actually really good at what
>> they do, and now aware an alien invasion will arrive at Earth in 400
>> years, and are making plans to deal with it.  As his boss (Liam
>> Cunningham) says,  "We've got 400 years to come up
>> with a plan."
> 
> In an earlier episode, when they first said that the star system was four
> light years away (which makes it Alpha Centauri, although oddly, nobody
> ever says that.) they also said the trip would be 100 years. Both of these
> come from the original pilot for the 1964 LOST IN SPACE series. So does the
> idea (in the book, at least) that the erratic orbit of their planet sends
> it from blazing heat to freezing cold every couple of weeks and
> unpredictably. Which is why they want to get the hell out of Dodge.
> 
> There’s also a part in the book that I don’t know if they said in the show
> which explains them abandoning their system more clearly. Although it’s
> very definitely stated everywhere that you can’t solve the three body
> problem ever and can’t make any long range predictions about what their
> world will do they in fact have done so and know that sooner or later their
> planet’s going to crash into one of the three suns (it doesn’t say if it
> will be Chip or Ernie). Again why they have to get out of Dodge.
> 
> There seems to be a lot of contradictions between what they say, and what
> we see, along the lines of what you would expect from a dubbed translation.
>   For instance, one characters life is saved, because he’s wearing
> bulletproof fatigues, although clearly, the bullet went right through the
> fatigues (they point out the hole) and hit the body armor he was wearing
> underneath it.
> 
> 
> 
>> There's a scene where the group trying to stop the alien invasion needs
>> to take out a tanker ship where Pryce and his followers are living.
>> They need to do it in a way that doesn't give them warning or time to
>> destroy any data they might have on board.  And the way they do it is
>> like nothing I've ever seen before.
> 
> You need to read more Larry Niven. :-) It’s directly from his various known
> space works.  In Niven’s RINGWORLD, the opponents use the weapon first,
> neatly decapitating one of the protagonists leading to such dialogue as
> “you tied a tourniquet around his neck?“ And “wait a minute! He’s got a
> spare!“
> 
> Our team then proceeds to take out the other sides entire city! And his
> protagonist suffered the same guilt as the inventor here (who also turns
> out to be the most beautiful woman in the world) does.  I would also like
> to point out that Eiza Gonzalez has turned into a damn fine actress.
> 
> 
>>  From my perspective it pretty much
>> destroyed the ship too, so I'm not sure why gas wouldn't have been
>> better.
> 
> This is apparently how they did it in the book as well, and it doesn’t make
> any sense in either case. Somehow this destructive method leaves the
> computers so that they can be saved. I have no idea why.
> 
> They seem to be afraid that the ship had guards who would push
> self-destruct buttons on their computers, with their literal last breaths.
> But I don’t know why they wouldn’t do that in the case of any kind of
> attack.
> 
> 
>> That being said, it was a sight to witness as everyone on board
>> started to brutally die having no idea why or how.
> 
> This is definitely the visual Highpoint of the series.
> 
> 
>> However, humanity's
>> win is brief.  At the end of the episode, the aliens initiate direct
>> communication with Cunningham's character.  And explain to him that in
>> 400 yeas time humanity will be more advance than the aliens and would
>> easily be able to defeat them.  Therefore, they then inform him they
>> have the ability to monitor everything everywhere and they will kneecap
>> humanity and prevent any future development.  They then proceed to
>> broadcast a world wide message on every screen that humans are "bugs"
>> and appear to engulf the planet in a shield.  Roll credits.
> 
> Yikes!
> 

I know!

> 
>> "The Stars Our Destination" Episode 6.  News breaks of an alien invasion
>> fleet coming to conquer Earth and the general populace doesn't take it
>> very well.  Although the aliens had a lot of secret human followers, and
>> now they have humans who are publicly willing to help.  Things weren't
>> *as* bad as they looked at the end of episode 5.  The aliens ability to
>> directly impact Earth (outside of messing with communications or making
>> people see things) is minimal.  Nevertheless, the governments bring
>> together all the best minds to develop a plan to fight back.  They know
>> the aliens have the ability to see and hear everything they do so
>> they'll be no element of surprise.  "Let them listen."  First up how to
>> achieve 1% light speed so they can send a probe to intercept the alien
>> fleet.  And beginning development of a base on the moon as well as a
>> fleet of human ships.  Some of the scientists insist the technologies
>> needed are impossible to and given they have 400 years why not wait a
>> few decades to develop them.  But Liam Cunningham's character has no
>> intention of dying without making a contribution to the now planet wide
>> war effort.
> 
> Although later events make his stance puzzling at best.
> 
> 
> 
>> "Only Advance" - Episode 7 and "Wallfacer" Episode 8 (the season
>> finale).  I binged and the final two episodes blurred together.
>> Humanity begins to make preparations for a generational war against the
>> aliens.  There are 3 main plans put into place.  One is construction of
>> the moon base and space fleet.  The second plan is to send a human brain
>> in cryogenic freeze to make personal contact with the
>> aliens .
> 
> Niven did this. Twice.
> 
> 
>> The hope
>> is the aliens will pick up the ship carrying the brain and reconstruct
>> the body.  And also not torture the person for eternity or > worse .
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