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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Allez
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 16:38:53 -0400
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On 3/25/2024 12:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/25/2024 10:54 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 3/25/2024 11:08 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> Laws affect law abiding citizens. No effect otherwise...
>>
>> Nope. That's tremendously exaggerated.
>>
>> Yes, some law breakers escape punishment. Some others are caught but 
>> delay conviction and punishment interminably, by tactics like 
>> countless court delays and appeals. (That usually applies only to the 
>> wealthy, of course.)
>>
>> But many law breakers are caught, and even those who are not caught 
>> usually have their behavior affected, in that they have to take steps 
>> to avoid being caught. That counts as at least some beneficial effect.
>>
>> We shouldn't pretend we're as bad off as Mogadishu or Port-Au-Prince.
>>
>>> ... as in the weekend news in Seattle:
>>>
>>> https://mynorthwest.com/3955536/18-year-old-charged-in-renton-crash-that-killed-3-children-1-mother/
>>
>> I'll admit that if society institutes a law that says "You're not 
>> allowed to do that" yet freely provides equipment designed to do just 
>> that, there are bound to be law breakers.
>>
>> So let's discuss other strategies. For example, why not take away or 
>> restrict the equipment?
>>
>> Nobody needs to legally drive 112 mph, so why allow the sale of cars 
>> capable of driving 112 mph? Car top speeds can be regulated. In fact, 
>> current new cars usually "know" the speed limit wherever they are, and 
>> in principle could be limited to the legal speed at any location.
>>
>> If you don't want people to drive at high speeds in cities and 
>> suburbs, why design freeway-like "stroads" that encourage high speeds, 
>> via wide lanes, open vistas, large radius curves, etc?
>>
>> Why not instead employ traffic calming mechanisms, of which there are 
>> many? They range from narrower lane width, landscaping, traffic lights 
>> synchronized for the benefit of lower speeds, sharp-cornered 
>> intersections, horizontal diversions like chicanes, and even vertical 
>> diversions like speed humps that are fine at 20 mph but uncomfortable 
>> at 30 mph.
>>
>> If that guy had hit a speed hump a few miles earlier, he'd have gone 
>> airborne and the fun would have been over. It's much more effective 
>> than relying on a "good guy with a squad car."
>>
> 
> So you're recommending collective punishment of the populace for crimes 
> not yet committed? Really?

??

"I can't drive as fast as I imagine in my fantasies! I'm being 
punished!" makes no sense to me.

It seems no different than "I can't wander into a bike shop and take 
anything I want! I'm being punished!"

Speeders seem to have unrealistic estimates of the amount of time 
they're saving, and unrealistic estimates of the importance of their time.

"Outa my way! I gotta get home FAST! 'Oprah' reruns start at five!"

-- 
- Frank Krygowski