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From: Anonymous <anon@anon.net>
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Subject: Re: Justice Department files antitrust suit against Apple
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 22:07:38 -0400
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Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-03-26 19:48, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-25 21:16, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-25 02:45, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You keep saying that, but it makes no sense. And AGAIN, what laws is 
>>>>>>> Apple not
>>>>>>> abiding? Because YOU don't like Apple does not mean they are breaking any
>>>>>>> laws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple is a consumer products company.  They are selling directly to 
>>>>>>> consumers.
>>>>>>>   How do you sell consumer products to consumers (who line up to buy your
>>>>>>> products, BTW) AND be "anti-consumer" at the same time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Apple truly WAS "anti-consumer", then NO ONE WOULD BUY THE PRODUCTS. 
>>>>>>> Do you
>>>>>>> understand simple logic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This DOJ case is all based on competitors whining that it is too 
>>>>>>> difficult for
>>>>>>> them to make money selling software/whatever to Apple's customers. Well boo
>>>>>>> hoo. Apple is like 25% of the global market for phones and PCs. Try selling
>>>>>>> your stuff to the 75% of the market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or feel free to create your own phones/tablets/desktops/ecosystem and make
>>>>>>> your money from your own products. Not just leeching from other company's
>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> U.S. anti-trust laws exist to protect consumers.  Not competitors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a lawyer, but the government can claim that Apple is engaging
>>>>>> in conspiracy to restrain trade and commerce, which is broadly illegal
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple has plenty of competition.
>>>>
>>>> According to the law, that doesn't matter as far as conspiracy is concerned.
>>>>
>>>>>> and does not require Apple to actually be a monopoly. And forget suing;
>>>>>> Tim Cook himself can be arrested and tried criminally for this if the 
>>>>>> [AAA] <---
>>>>>> government ever decided to actually enforce the law.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFL.  At least you got the "I'm not a lawyer" part right.
>>>>
>>>> 15 U.S. Code § 1:
>>>>
>>>> "Every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or
>>>> conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or
>>>> with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal. Every person who shall make
>>>> any contract or engage in any combination or conspiracy hereby declared to
>>>> be illegal shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof,
>>>> shall be punished by fine not exceeding $100,000,000 if a corporation, or,
>>>> if any other person, $1,000,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding 10 years,
>>>> or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1
>>>
>>> That "if a corporation" part sailed right over your head ... [AAA] above
>>>
>>> Sheesh.  Don't state what you don't understand, and certainly don't quote 
>>> what you understand even less.
>>
>> You can't throw a corporation in prison, genius.
> 
> Exactly what I was pointing out, you dunce.  I didn't make the assertion that 
> Tim Cook can be arrested [AAA] above.  That was you.

Antitrust law applies to INDIVIDUALS as well, and the PLAIN TEXT OF
THE LAW I quoted above says Tim Cook can be thrown in PRISON for up
to TEN YEARS if he, and/or Apple under his direction, engages in
contract, combination or conspiracy in restraint of trade or commerce.